Episode 65
The Inventor of Bump Stock Fights Back! (ft. Slide Fire)
John welcomes Jeremiah, the founder and inventor behind Slide Fire and the bump stock, for a different kind of State of the Second episode recorded from John's home studio. Jeremiah lays out his origin story: a retired Air Force veteran who grew up as a dirt farmer in West Texas, he created Slide Fire Solutions in 2010 with a goal of selling 500 units in the first year. He put a couple of videos on YouTube, sold the first 500 in four days, and the company was born. Over the next several years he brought 39 different products to market across 11 platforms and grew into a large company, all while holding ATF letters confirming his products were within the law.
Then came October 1, 2017, the Las Vegas shooting, which put a spotlight on his company. Jeremiah argues the response was unfair because his product does not shoot bullets and would not stop a mass shooting. He describes the ban that took effect in March 2019, the government destroying roughly 80,000 to 85,000 units of his inventory, being sued by over a thousand people, and being told he had no legal recourse. He recounts the years in limbo, nearly losing his tooling when it sat dormant in a warehouse, and the trip to fly up to Pennsylvania and drive it down to Texas to recover it. The Fifth Circuit's split with other circuit courts gave him a real shot, the Supreme Court took the case, and a 6-3 ruling found the government overreached and that a bump stock is not a machine gun.
With the ban overturned, Slide Fire is rebuilding. Three products are back online, with the AK, Ruger 10/22, AR, and Glock models in the works. Jeremiah has filed a 97-page lawsuit, framing it less as a fight about bump stocks and more about compensation for property the government took and destroyed, a constitutional right he compares to eminent domain. His statute of limitations runs out in March, so timing was close. John and Jeremiah talk through the broader pattern of ATF overreach, the 'war on plastic' that followed with pistol braces and FRT triggers, the VA fiduciary rule that once affected Jeremiah himself, and a culture they say has traded facts for feelings. He closes asking people to know their rights, support the company, and buy a bump stock, and floats leading a congressional investigation into Vegas.
Questions this episode answers
Who invented the bump stock and how did Slide Fire get started?
Jeremiah, a retired Air Force veteran who grew up as a dirt farmer in West Texas, invented the bump stock and founded Slide Fire Solutions in 2010. He posted a couple of videos on YouTube, sold his first 500 units in four days, and the company was born.
How many products did Slide Fire bring to market before the ban?
Jeremiah brought 39 different products to market across 11 platforms and grew Slide Fire into a large company, all while holding ATF letters confirming his products were within the law.
What happened to Slide Fire's inventory after the 2017 Las Vegas shooting?
After the October 1, 2017 Las Vegas shooting put a spotlight on the company, a ban took effect in March 2019 and the government destroyed roughly 80,000 to 85,000 units of his inventory. Jeremiah was sued by over a thousand people and told he had no legal recourse.
How did the Supreme Court rule on the bump stock ban, and on what grounds?
After the Fifth Circuit split with other circuit courts, the Supreme Court took the case and ruled 6-3 that the government overreached and that a bump stock is not a machine gun, overturning the ban.
What is Jeremiah's new lawsuit against the government actually about?
He has filed a 97-page lawsuit framed less as a fight about bump stocks and more about compensation for property the government took and destroyed, a constitutional right he compares to eminent domain. His statute of limitations runs out in March, so the timing was close.
How is Slide Fire rebuilding, and which products are coming back?
With the ban overturned, Slide Fire is rebuilding and has three products back online. The AK, Ruger 10/22, AR, and Glock models are in the works.
How did the VA fiduciary rule affect Jeremiah personally?
The VA fiduciary rule, which Jeremiah says once affected him personally, comes up as part of a broader pattern of government overreach he and the host discuss, alongside the so-called war on plastic targeting pistol braces and FRT triggers.
Where can people find and support Slide Fire?
Jeremiah asks people to know their rights, support the company, and buy a bump stock. Slide Fire can be found online at bumpstock.com.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Meet Jeremiah, inventor of the bump stock
- 00:35 — From West Texas dirt farmer to Slide Fire founder
- 01:29 — Rapid Fire questions
- 03:51 — The rise of Slide Fire and 39 products
- 04:56 — Vegas, the ban, and the units destroyed
- 08:18 — Years in limbo and recovering the tooling
- 12:07 — You broke my stuff: the takings argument
- 13:38 — Soapbox: the lawsuit and ATF rulemaking
- 18:50 — Veteran-owned companies destroyed by the government
- 19:46 — The VA fiduciary rule and the Brady rule
- 22:23 — Living through the Vegas fallout
- 25:57 — The feeling when the ruling came in
- 29:30 — Law-abiding owners and getting into the fight
- 46:36 — How a bump stock works and the feelings problem
- 54:40 — Where to find and support Slide Fire
About the guest
Jeremiah is the founder and inventor of Slide Fire, the company behind the bump stock. A retired Air Force veteran who grew up as a dirt farmer in West Texas, he created Slide Fire Solutions in 2010 and sold his first 500 units in four days after posting videos on YouTube. He brought 39 different products to market across 11 platforms and holds numerous patents on the design. After the government banned bump stocks and destroyed roughly 80,000 to 85,000 of his units, he fought the case to the Supreme Court, which ruled 6-3 that his product is not a machine gun. He now lives in East Tennessee, where he is rebuilding the company and pursuing a lawsuit for compensation. His personal Instagram handle is Bearded Prophet [VERIFY], and the company also posts as Slide Fire Reboot.
Key quotes
"I put a couple of videos out, and we sold the first 500 in the first four days, and slide Fire was born." — Jeremiah
"You're going to ban something to stop mass shootings and you ban something that doesn't stop bullets." — Jeremiah
"It's not about bump stocks so much as it is, you broke my stuff." — Jeremiah
"It was just me, like, I am the industry. I hold all the patents. All of the bump stocks originate from slide fire." — Jeremiah
"We've stopped using words to communicate information and logic, but we've started using words to communicate feelings instead." — Jeremiah
"Our goal as GOA is to put ourselves out of business. We want to make the second Amendment so strong that we no longer have to fight that we are gone." — John
Transcript
Welcome to Goa State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:My name is John, and today we have a very special episode.
Speaker A:The format's a little different than what we normally do.
Speaker A:We are in our.
Speaker A:I'm in my home studio, and I have Jeremiah from Slide Fire, the inventor, the owner of the bump stock.
Speaker A:Jeremiah, how are you, my friend?
Speaker A:Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker B:Thank you for having me, John.
Speaker B:I'm exceptionally well.
Speaker A:I appreciate you doing this so last minute, but let's go ahead.
Speaker A:Let's get a little bit of backstory about who you are, and then we'll jump into the meat and potatoes of this podcast.
Speaker B: All right, so back in: Speaker B:I'm a retired military Air Force veteran, and I came back, created an invention, thought it was neat, showed it to a couple friends.
Speaker B:They thought it was neat.
Speaker B:And I grew up as a dirt farmer in West Texas and joined the military when I was young and then decided to figure out how to be a inventor and businessman.
Speaker B:So it's a really interesting story.
Speaker B:My goal was to sell 500 units the first year.
Speaker B:Back then, the only thing on social media was YouTube.
Speaker B:I put a couple of videos out, and we sold the first 500 in the first four days, and slide Fire was born.
Speaker A:That is the definition of the American dream right there.
Speaker B:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:Well, let's go ahead and jump into our first segment real quick, because I want to get into your full story.
Speaker A:Our first segment is Rapid Fire.
Speaker A:I'm going to ask you five questions.
Speaker A:You answer them as quickly or as slowly as you want.
Speaker A:Question number one is, what is your dream gun?
Speaker B:Oh, I've got my little ZEB9 millimeter.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's one of my dream guns.
Speaker B:And my Knight's Armament.
Speaker B:My Knight's armor armament.
Speaker B:AR10.
Speaker B:That thing is a beast.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:That's my dream gun.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker A:You are making me jealous on the inside.
Speaker A:What is your go to edc?
Speaker B:I pretty much have a gun in every vehicle, so I've got a bunch of everyday carries.
Speaker B:Like, I've got a gun, you know, in this drawer and that drawer.
Speaker B:So one that goes bang.
Speaker B:Like, every one of them's tested.
Speaker B:I mean, that's.
Speaker B:That's pretty much.
Speaker B:My everyday carrier is one that'll go bang.
Speaker A:That is a great answer.
Speaker A:We haven't had that before.
Speaker A:Pineapple on pizza, yes or no?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:I like to smoke my pineapples with my steaks and eat them separate.
Speaker A:That's a.
Speaker B:You should try it.
Speaker B:270 For about an hour and a Half cook them separate from your steaks.
Speaker B:That's good.
Speaker B:That's how you eat pineapple.
Speaker A:What's your favorite state to visit?
Speaker B:To visit the state of peacefulness now?
Speaker B:East Tennessee.
Speaker B:That's where the piece is.
Speaker B:Like every time I leave it.
Speaker B:Every time I leave East Tennessee, I can't wait to get back.
Speaker B:It's absolutely gorgeous out here.
Speaker A:My Kaylee, our other CO host, would 100% agree with that.
Speaker A:Being from East Tennessee, last question is, are aliens real?
Speaker B:Oh man, that's a tough one.
Speaker B:Half the time I think we're walking around with them.
Speaker B:As crazy as some people sound, they were definitely not from this planet.
Speaker B:So I mean, I don't know.
Speaker B:I definitely know there's something out there that we don't understand.
Speaker B:I don't know if they're from outer space or inner space.
Speaker B:We'll see, I guess one day once they pop off the files and declassify some things, I guess.
Speaker A:Well, I appreciate you asking the.
Speaker A:Answering those.
Speaker A:That is our Rapid Fire segment.
Speaker A:Let's go ahead and jump into this.
Speaker A:You know, Slide Fire.
Speaker A:The bump stock has been this big thing that you guys took off when you guys first, when you first launched it and then we had the ban and now we've got the band lifted.
Speaker A:What Just go into the whirlwind of that story and the story of Slide Fire.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So, you know, like I briefly said, it was, it was received with just unprecedented response.
Speaker B:Like I never expected for people to enjoy the product as much as I did.
Speaker B:And over the course of about the first three or four years, we, we expanded.
Speaker B:A lot of people believe that we just had one product.
Speaker B:I actually brought 39 different products to the market across 11 different platforms.
Speaker B:So we were actually, we grew to a massive company very, very quickly.
Speaker B: tted my first product back in: Speaker B: st of: Speaker B:Like you're going to ban something to stop mass shootings and you ban something that doesn't stop bullets.
Speaker B:We're going to expand on that later.
Speaker B:But after that, you know, my company was forced to shut down.
Speaker B:The government, or the government destroyed over 80,000 units of my inventory that I had built up over the Years, they told me to kick rocks.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:So for the last five years, I moved to East Tennessee a couple years ago, and we've been continuing to fight.
Speaker B:When the fifth Circuit overturned the ban, that's when the real fight started for us as slide fire.
Speaker B:As far as getting our tooling back up and serviceable.
Speaker B:That was the writing on the wall for me, is whenever I knew that the 5th Circuit caused the division in the circuit courts, that I actually had a shot because prior to that, the two years prior to that, the Supreme Court had denied to hear my case.
Speaker B:So fast forward to last fall when the Supreme Court did agree to hear the case, they moved along very, very quickly.
Speaker B:And then this June, six, three in our favor that the government overreached, that my product is not a machine gun.
Speaker B:It does not cause an automatic firing state, just like the ATF said for numerous years.
Speaker B:And the Supreme Court overturned that ban, and we were allowed to completely fire back up across all the states where there's not these draconian laws that say bump stocks do things that they don't do.
Speaker B:And that sort of put us to where we are now.
Speaker B:We've got three of our products back online.
Speaker B: re just pushing hard now into: Speaker B:And we just had an overwhelming support and response from the public.
Speaker B:People are just happy to see us.
Speaker B:And as an inventor, that is like the biggest compliment for me.
Speaker B:People liked our stuff, and I just want to get it back to the people.
Speaker B:And for goa.
Speaker B:Thank you guys.
Speaker B:Sincerely, thank you guys for fighting.
Speaker B:And I appreciate all the hard work that you all did and continue to do for all of the people in.
Speaker A:Our Second Amendment rights, I cannot take.
Speaker A:I appreciate you saying that.
Speaker A:I can't not take credit for that.
Speaker A:I have to thank our Federal affairs team, Eric Pratt, Aiden over there, Ben Sanderson.
Speaker A:That whole team works super hard.
Speaker A:Our lawyers worked super hard on that case.
Speaker A:You know, it, it.
Speaker A:We're proud to do it.
Speaker A:We've done it before.
Speaker A:We always say we sue on the text, history and tradition of the Second Amendment, and the bump stock is part of that text, history, and tradition.
Speaker A:So while.
Speaker A:While I'm thinking about it and talking to you, what was that.
Speaker A:That period between the ban and the court case going through the fifth Circuit, what was that like?
Speaker A:And then you going into retooling everything up.
Speaker A:That's got to be.
Speaker A:You're sitting on pins and needles, and now you're like, okay, I gotta re redo all this.
Speaker A:I've got to start basically from scratch.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:So in after they see or after they took my inventory, it was 85,000 units, shredded them.
Speaker B:That's what this lawsuit is based on.
Speaker B:I didn't have any recourse.
Speaker B:I was told to kick rocks.
Speaker B:There's, there was no legal avenue to recover any type of damages for the property that they seized and destroyed.
Speaker B:And for the most part I just had to go on with life and figure out how to restart.
Speaker B:So there was a good three, three year period there that I was just left in limbo.
Speaker B:And it was really interesting and it's a funny story because my tooling nearly got destroyed in the process.
Speaker B:I was having it warehoused at one of the machine or the injection molding companies that were running my tooling here in the states and it had been sitting dormant for years and they were ready to move it down the line because it was just taking up space.
Speaker B:So we nearly didn't get a reset or a slide fire reboot as I'm calling it.
Speaker B:When we did get the word from the fifth Circuit, we flew up to Pennsylvania, got our tooling and drove it all the way down to Texas to start getting things in preparation for the Supreme Court to hear it.
Speaker B:And then once the Supreme Court heard it and ruled on it, that just, it has been a non stop Sprint.
Speaker B: bring out the AK model or the: Speaker B:And, and the answer to that, soon.
Speaker B:Like we're working as fast as we can or I'm working as fast as can be.
Speaker B:And Tommy.
Speaker B:But manufacturing is hard.
Speaker B:Like we have to build these things.
Speaker B:It's not like we can just go on Amazon.com and click a button.
Speaker B:It shows up for you.
Speaker B:Like we have to build each and every one of these.
Speaker B:And starting from zero, starting from scratch has been extremely difficult.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But very rewarding.
Speaker B:And it's just, it's, it's wonderful when people show up and, and support you by buying your product.
Speaker B:Like that is the biggest.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:So yeah, I mean you guys, you mentioned the 80,000 units that you had sitting there that were just completely destroyed.
Speaker A:We talked about it in our press release.
Speaker A:You know, not only this attack on the second Amendment, but also on the fourth amendment and illegal seizure.
Speaker A:And they took not only your inventory, but they took all the other People's inventory and destroyed it, and everybody had to destroy everything.
Speaker A:And people who own these items that were deemed legal, now deemed illegal had to get it.
Speaker A:And we saw this with your case.
Speaker A:Kind of kicked off what we like to call the ATF war on plastic, where we saw it with your.
Speaker A:Your item, and then they went after the pistol braces and they went after this.
Speaker A:It's the same attack, but from different angles.
Speaker A:And I applaud you for pulling up your bootstraps like a true American fighting the good fight and then now bringing the company back from, like a phoenix from the ashes and showing that, hey, we are not done with this.
Speaker A:We're going to continue to do this and continue to support the Second Amendment and this awesome item of a bump stock, which is so much fun if you haven't done.
Speaker A:You just want to use one.
Speaker A:Well, let's.
Speaker A:If you want to say anything before we hop into our next.
Speaker B:Yeah, let's, let's.
Speaker B:Yeah, let's touch base real quick because, you know, a lot of people want to say this is about bump stocks, especially on the lawsuit that we just filed.
Speaker B:And it's not about bump stocks so much as it is, you broke my stuff.
Speaker B:Like, if you break something, you pay for it.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:That's what we teach our children.
Speaker B:Like, you go through a store and you break something, you should pay for it.
Speaker B:You damaged someone's property.
Speaker B:You took my stuff and broke it, like, and then told me to go pound sand.
Speaker B:It's time to pay the piper.
Speaker B:The Supreme Court said so.
Speaker B:So this should.
Speaker B:This should scare everybody, that they just show up to your store and break your stuff and tell you to pound sand.
Speaker B:That's exactly what they did to me.
Speaker B:That's not America.
Speaker B:That's what the Mafia does.
Speaker B:They come in and break your stuff and tell you to pound sand.
Speaker B:So constitutional takings, like, compensation for takings is a constitutional right.
Speaker B:Like, think eminent domain.
Speaker B:The government has the right to come and take your land for the Army Corps of Engineering or something like that.
Speaker B:But they have to compensate you what it's worth.
Speaker B:That did not happen.
Speaker B:And that's a dangerous precedent to set in this country.
Speaker A:I couldn't.
Speaker B:We can change.
Speaker B:We can change the laws or.
Speaker B:Well, they didn't even change the law.
Speaker B:We can change how we read the law.
Speaker B:Take your stuff, destroy it and say, oops, that's dangerous.
Speaker A:I couldn't agree more on that.
Speaker A:And that brings us into our next segment, which is from the Soapbox.
Speaker A:This is where we talk, and we're about the spicy Topic of this episode, and the spicy topic of this episode is what you just mentioned is the government not giving you payment.
Speaker A:The, the lawsuit that you just filed to get that back.
Speaker A:Let's go ahead and talk about what you can and can, you know what you can talk about about this lawsuit.
Speaker B:Well, I mean I, I pretty much put everything out there in that 97 page document.
Speaker B:That was one of the reasons why I blasted it out as complete as I did because I wanted the entire truth to be known about it.
Speaker B:In March of night Of March of 19 is when the ban went into effect.
Speaker B:I coordinated with the atf.
Speaker B:I surrendered all of my inventory.
Speaker B:They destroyed it.
Speaker B:And because of the way, the procedural way things were done.
Speaker B:So the ATF doesn't make law.
Speaker B:We've had those conversations before.
Speaker B:People know that they make rules.
Speaker B:And I mean even the ATF says that.
Speaker B:But under those rules is the guise of, okay, it's just a rule, it's a suggestion.
Speaker B:But if you don't do it, I mean for me, 80,000 units, what is that?
Speaker B:700,000 Years in prison and something like $15 billion in fines.
Speaker B:Like how is that okay?
Speaker B:Like did I have a choice?
Speaker B:Like if I didn't surrender it?
Speaker B:But that's.
Speaker B:To put someone in that position without laws being made is a very, very dangerous place to be day when you can sit there and change how you interpret things and levy lifetimes of penalties and fines.
Speaker B:That's not how our system was designed.
Speaker B:And it's a scary place to be.
Speaker A:Well, and that's, that's always our take the ATF just first off, overreach, overreach, overreach by the ATF all the time.
Speaker A:And they attack the average day American or people like you who own companies.
Speaker A:This is not just an assault on plastic where, you know, like I said, you guys kind of, it was kind of a cascading effect once the bump stock banding.
Speaker A:Because then they could go after pistol braces, frame and receivers.
Speaker A:We've seen the attacks on polymer 80s and, and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Speaker A:But for them to come up with a ruling on an item and then to change their mind and then make it the, the lay of the land, the word of law is insane because they're a regulatory agency.
Speaker A:They do not have the right to make laws.
Speaker A:And we saw that with pistol braces, we saw it with the bump stocks.
Speaker A:You know, they are attacking not only this, what we like to coin, like I said, the war on plastic, but they're also attacking us at the dinner table.
Speaker A:I From you as an owner of a company, 80,000 units.
Speaker A:That's a lot of cash that you had sitting there in inventory that was going millions of dollars.
Speaker A:And now they just took it all.
Speaker B:Well, and here's the thing, John.
Speaker B:Not only just millions of dollars in inventory, millions of dollars in costs, I spent millions of dollars building that.
Speaker B:Everything that I earned, I put back into my company and they just took it and destroyed it.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And that's, that's where I think a lot of people.
Speaker B:Well, they took his stuff and broke it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:They took my money, man.
Speaker B:Like I worked years for that, a decade building this company and they just destroyed everything.
Speaker B:And not only that, my item was unique like it.
Speaker B:There was nothing on it like that out on the market.
Speaker B:So I have numerous patents.
Speaker B:Patents are only good for 20 years.
Speaker B:And you took 25% of their life.
Speaker B:Like there's half a decade that I lost that I could have been using my intellectual property to build something for my children or build something for my future.
Speaker B:And they took that from me as well.
Speaker B:And that's also in the lawsuit.
Speaker B:So that will be interesting to see how that goes.
Speaker B:I don't know if there's any procedural way they could add time to my patents.
Speaker B:Like, I'm just not familiar with that part.
Speaker B:But I know that they devalued them by doing what they did and misguided.
Speaker B:I mean, I want to make sure I use the correct words.
Speaker B:Words are important.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean the.
Speaker A:To come in and destroy your company could have set.
Speaker A:And it did.
Speaker A:It can set a precedent.
Speaker A:I mean, not only yours, but we saw the same thing with SB Tactical with the braces.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:They can go in and set, and this is setting a precedent where they could go, okay, well, your product we deem unfit for use or illegal and just destroy companies, which is not only destroying, you know, you as the owner, but destroys all your employees life and livelihood.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, destroys everything in between.
Speaker B:Well, and here's the funny thing that I look about it is a lot of these people are veterans.
Speaker B:They're veteran owned companies.
Speaker B:So you have a government that these people sacrificed their livelihoods for.
Speaker B:They're coming back in and pursuing their own dreams to build a company for their family, build a future for their family.
Speaker B:And the American dreams going for them, they're like, they're successful.
Speaker B:And then the government shows up, the same government that they sacrificed their lives for.
Speaker B:And I'm like, that's the biggest travesty.
Speaker B:What a big old slap in the face.
Speaker B:Like, what else do you want from them.
Speaker B:They've given them your youth, their time, a lot of them, their lives and their health and you come back and you slap them in the face like that.
Speaker B:That's just, that's a hard one to swallow.
Speaker A:So yeah, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker A:I mean we've, we've been fighting and still, still have been fighting the fight on the fiduciary rule with the VA and we're continuing that fight.
Speaker A:That's been a 20 plus year fight that we've been fighting because they're taking away veterans gun rights because they're coming in and need assistance financially.
Speaker B:That one, that one actually affected me John.
Speaker B:Like when I started slide fire because of my disability, my injuries, I had two brain surgeries when I returned back in 04 and I was in really bad shape.
Speaker B:So obviously I didn't handle the finances for a while.
Speaker B:I couldn't even make coffee like I was in bad shape.
Speaker B:Well, under, I believe it's the Brady rule.
Speaker B:Is that the one?
Speaker B:It is believe so that if you can't manage your finances, you're deemed incompetent.
Speaker B:That's the way the Brady rule is.
Speaker B:But that's not the way a court has to find you incompetent.
Speaker B:So they're just wrapping up a lot of veterans.
Speaker B:And when I started my company I had to deal with that and I had to go through and fill out all the paperwork and everything else to get that same tag that you're talking about removed so that it didn't affect me.
Speaker B:And it's just, it's ridiculous.
Speaker B:And on top of it, it doesn't meet the requirements under the law for people to added.
Speaker B:For veterans to be added as unable or incompetent.
Speaker B:Like because you don't handle your financial responsibilities, you have to be adjudicated by a court.
Speaker B:That's what the law says.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:I hope you all win that one.
Speaker B:That one's a horrible one.
Speaker A:We are, I think we had got a big win on it early last year or earlier this year and we should continue to get wins on that, that case.
Speaker A:It's insane to think that the government can control your rights, your God given rights as, as Eric Pratt likes to say over the simplest of things.
Speaker A:Let's talk about slide fire and you know the.
Speaker A:We had the Vegas shooting which was a tragedy.
Speaker A:They ban you two years later, you've got five years of this fight.
Speaker A:What was that fight like for you being, being sitting.
Speaker A:Because a lot of people, they see these things, they know about it.
Speaker A:But we've Never had somebody who's actually sat there and fought that's been on the podcast yet.
Speaker B:Man, I got hit from so many different angles because of the Vegas shooting.
Speaker B:Like, there was.
Speaker B:I got sued by over a thousand people.
Speaker B:There was a group of people that decided not to sue any of the Second amendment companies, which I thought that is worth noting.
Speaker B:I think that was a very honorable thing to do.
Speaker B:And the reasons they gave was, we don't believe guns cause violence.
Speaker B:We believe people do, and we're not going to sue gun manufacturers for what a person did.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But so those people still exist.
Speaker B:I spent about, about two years dealing with all of that.
Speaker B:The fallout from the Vegas.
Speaker B:MGM ended up settling.
Speaker B:Everything ended up going away.
Speaker B:But that, that whole thing was just a whirlwind because, I mean, you literally wake up one morning, you get coffee and you start to walk across the street and your world gets turned upside down.
Speaker B:I don't think I can stress how crazy that time period was, because to everybody else in the world, it was this massive industry, this bump stock industry, and we're going to shut down this evil industry.
Speaker B:It was just me, like, I am the industry.
Speaker B:I hold all the patents.
Speaker B:All of the bump stocks originate from slide fire.
Speaker B:So that was an immense amount of pressure, an immense amount of attacks.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't sleep in my own home for about three months.
Speaker B:I had people chase, you know, hunting my children.
Speaker B:It wasn't fun.
Speaker B:It was a very, very difficult time.
Speaker B:And I love how the people that want to preach tolerance when horrible things like that happen become the vilest and most atrocious individuals.
Speaker B:The hate mail, the ugly things that were done and said in the name of trying to promote peace, it's just, it's, it's disgusting.
Speaker B:It really is.
Speaker B:And I think that needs to be told as well.
Speaker B:We have people, we have bad actors.
Speaker B:We have some bad actors out there that just, they just want ugly things for people.
Speaker B:And, and that's unfortunate.
Speaker A:Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker A:I mean, the.
Speaker A:We, we see it all the, the time where people are like, oh, it's.
Speaker A:It's the gun's fault.
Speaker A:Well, is it the car's fault?
Speaker A:Is it the fork's fault for.
Speaker A:For you eating too much?
Speaker A:It's, it is the individual.
Speaker A:And it's sad to see that as a society that nobody can take accountability anymore.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:And that word right there is what scares most people is accountability.
Speaker B:Because when you start taking accountability, you've got to start asking yourself hard questions.
Speaker B:And when you do that, there's a good amount of people out there that wouldn't be happy with their own answers.
Speaker B:They know they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing.
Speaker B:And that's why I think that there's that big push to get rid of those things, such as accountability, because then if you're not accountable, you're not doing anything wrong.
Speaker A:So we.
Speaker A:We talked about the.
Speaker A:The two years of lawsuits leading up to the band.
Speaker A:We talked about them coming in when the band.
Speaker A:What was the feeling when the ruling came in?
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:I know where I was when the ruling came in.
Speaker A:I was working at a gun store, and I read it, and I was like, this is this rule.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:No, this is not an illegal item.
Speaker A:So I. I want to hear your side of that, man.
Speaker B:That one was a hard one, because the whole time I thought somebody was going to come in, like, somebody's.
Speaker B:Like, somebody's going to stop this, because just like you, I was.
Speaker B:This is not illegal.
Speaker B:I have multiple letters here.
Speaker B:I know how to read the law.
Speaker B:I mean, that's the beautiful thing about the early law.
Speaker B: In the early: Speaker B:So I knew it wasn't illegal.
Speaker B:And I was like.
Speaker B:All the way up until the last day, I was like, somebody's gonna stop this.
Speaker B:This is madness.
Speaker B:And, yeah, nobody did.
Speaker B:I mean, that's.
Speaker B:That's a pretty lonely feeling whenever you're like, nobody cares.
Speaker B:And the way they did it, like I said earlier, because they went through rulemaking, there's nothing I could do about it, because in a blink of an eye, they went, yeah, we used to call them bump stocks.
Speaker B:Now we call them machine guns.
Speaker B:And I'm like, but you didn't change any words.
Speaker B:So in a blink of eye, everything was just ripped out from under me, and I had no legal recourse.
Speaker B:And that's what I was talking about earlier as well, is until the Supreme Court court ruled, there was nothing I could do.
Speaker B:I just had to sit by and take it.
Speaker B:So I'm done sitting around like, it's time.
Speaker B:It's time to pay the piper.
Speaker B:You broke my stuff.
Speaker B:It's not cool, all right?
Speaker B:I hope everyone hears.
Speaker B:I really do, because this is wrong on so many levels.
Speaker B:It's just horrible.
Speaker B:It's wrong.
Speaker B:And the precedent, it sits.
Speaker B:And you're right.
Speaker B:I made nearly a million of these things.
Speaker B:There are hundreds of thousands of Americans out there.
Speaker B:I met a bunch of them out at the gun show this weekend here in Knoxville, that destroyed them because under the threat of prosecution, that if they did not, the government would throw them in jail.
Speaker B:They destroyed their property.
Speaker B:That's not okay.
Speaker B:It's not right.
Speaker B:And I think that word you used, accountability.
Speaker B:I think someone needs to be held accountable.
Speaker B:And, and we have a way of doing that.
Speaker B:I mean, like I said early, you know, there are.
Speaker B:Your right to compensation for takings is a constitutional right.
Speaker B:So what I'm asking the courts to do is make that right.
Speaker B:Y' all do the math.
Speaker B:Y' all figure it out.
Speaker B:You owe me six years of interest.
Speaker B:Let me know.
Speaker B:I don't know if I'll ever see it.
Speaker B:I've lost a lot of hope in this government.
Speaker B:Like the things that they've done to me and the stories that I could tell you on another time would just crush your soul.
Speaker B:So like I said, it was the American dream until the government showed up.
Speaker B:So I'm back for round two.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:In the words of Rocky, you didn't hear no bell.
Speaker A:So kind of one pop culture reference, an episode.
Speaker B:You can't, you can't quit.
Speaker B:Like, I mean, there's not.
Speaker B:You can't quit.
Speaker A:Well, and you brought up a good point.
Speaker A:And talking about the gun show and people, a lot of gun owners are law abiding citizens.
Speaker A:We follow the lottery law to the table, right?
Speaker A:This just proves.
Speaker A:And, and I know what the government's going to say and, and it's, it's unfair, but they're going to go, well, they willingly did this.
Speaker A:They willingly destroyed the item, but it was under the threat and pressure of prosecution.
Speaker A:And most Americans look at it as law abiding citizens, as law abiding governors.
Speaker A:We look at it and go, well, I don't want to break.
Speaker A:I don't want to lose my rights.
Speaker A:I don't want to lose my rights to bear arms or hold arms.
Speaker A:And because of that, we are quick to react and do what the government tells us under those threats.
Speaker A:I mean, we saw it with, with the bump stuck like, and I keep bringing this up, but we saw it with you.
Speaker A:We saw it with the pistol brace ruling all the people who went and filed for tax stamps because of that.
Speaker A:It's ridiculous to think that just like that, a stroke of a pen, a, a ruling that is not in our favor can make a lot of Americans just give up on the fight.
Speaker A:And that's where GOA comes in.
Speaker A:Because we've been fighting this for five years.
Speaker A:We've been fighting and putting out letters and putting out briefs and putting in lawsuits and it's, it's that thing where American citizens that are gun owners just, they got to just get into the fight.
Speaker A:And we talked about, well, we've talked about this after the election in some episodes that are going to air later.
Speaker A:But as Americans, we look, as gun owners, we look at our wins and we look at who we've elected and we go, okay, well, they're going to handle it, but now is the time more than ever.
Speaker A:And the amount of attacks we've seen on the Second Amendment over the last five to 10 years, now's the time to go to your congressman and your senator and go, no more, no more.
Speaker A:You got to do what I elect you to do.
Speaker A:And I hate to say it, but we have a year because most of these senators are two term or two year terms.
Speaker A:After about a year year and call it a year and three months, they're running for reelection.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You have to get them while they're there and getting into the fight.
Speaker A:But it's crazy to think that, you know, people who you think are on your side aren't on your side and fighting for you.
Speaker A:And, you know, it's just insane.
Speaker B:Well, and I want to make sure I get this out there.
Speaker B:I don't begrudge President Trump for what he did.
Speaker B:I've, I've been quoted before, like, people make mistakes.
Speaker B:President, President Trump is human.
Speaker B:And just like they've talked about recently, I think that he listened to some, some bad suggestions.
Speaker B:And I know the NRA came out against me and wanted regulation and I think he probably listened to them.
Speaker B:And I hope he starts listening to y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:I was happy to see that y' all were in Knoxville this year for Yalls convention.
Speaker B:Shortly after that, he put out a, a statement about goa.
Speaker B:I really hope he listens to y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:I really do.
Speaker B:Because you, like you said earlier, gun owners are law abiding citizens and so rules only apply to people that listen to them.
Speaker B:Why do we have any gun laws in general?
Speaker B:Like, why would you prohibit or inhibit a law abiding citizen's ability to protect their family?
Speaker B:So to me, I'm like, any gun laws would be dumb if you're thinking that way, because the criminals don't care.
Speaker B:Like, they're already doing whatever they want.
Speaker B:So I really hope that GOA can, can work with President Trump and like, just peel these draconian laws back for one and just stop wasting the time and energy.
Speaker B:Like, we've already got laws that say certain things are bad.
Speaker B:Enforce those, go after those people.
Speaker B:We don't need to make things more illegal.
Speaker B:We just need to be consistent with our rulings because just like raising kids, consistency is what matters like.
Speaker B:And what we saw in my case is, you know, we saw consistency for a decade of the rulings as far as the bump stocks go and then to change that brings chaos throughout the whole system.
Speaker B:So I'm really hoping that he listens to y' all guys and, and, and heed Yalls advice and that the American people see some relief from this constant assault on our rights to protect our family.
Speaker A:I couldn't agree more.
Speaker A:We are working closely with the Trump team, trying to get those rights back, trying to get things like the Hearing Protection act and the Shush act passed in the House and the Senate, trying items and for those who don't know, those acts are removing the suppressors from the nfa, but trying to get set precedent to get things removed and get our, our laws restored.
Speaker A:You know, goa, and I'm gonna take a page out of my co host book.
Speaker A:Goa.
Speaker A:Our goal as GOA is to put ourselves out of business.
Speaker A:We want to make the second Amendment so strong that we no longer have to fight that we are gone.
Speaker A:I can't say that about any other organization out there, but that is our goal.
Speaker A:I don't, I don't know any other business person who thought that, you know, wants to put themselves out of business, but that's what GOA does.
Speaker A:And you know, you brought up Knoxville.
Speaker A:We were in there.
Speaker A:President Trump did give a address the group, he wasn't there in person, but sent over a video that is on our rumble account.
Speaker A:So if you want to go check out the, the his talk goals or his addressing that is on our rumble account.
Speaker A:And we are proud to say, because the announcement will be going out shortly before this podcast releases is that we will be back in Knoxville again this year for August 9th and 10th.
Speaker A:It'll be our, our last year in Knoxville, but we will be back again.
Speaker A:So we're super excited about bringing goals back to Knoxville.
Speaker A:Being back in East Tennessee.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker A:East Tennessee has got a fantastic gun culture.
Speaker A:Love.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, love the folks of East Tennessee.
Speaker A:But you know, you, you thought you had people in your, your court now.
Speaker A:Now you fought this fight and we talked about, you know, the, the pre lawsuit or the pre ban.
Speaker A:We talked about the band up to then.
Speaker A:We talked about you retooling.
Speaker A:Now we've touched on your lawsuit and everything.
Speaker A:It means, you know, how do people go to support you for this lawsuit?
Speaker A:How do we get that the word out that You.
Speaker A:Besides, you know this for a foray that we're talking together, you know, how do we get the word out?
Speaker A:What do people need to know?
Speaker A:And how do they support you with this lawsuit?
Speaker B:Well, I mean, the lawsuit's gonna.
Speaker B:I mean, the lawsuit's gonna run its course.
Speaker B:That's the wonderful thing about federal court, is they've got a schedule and they keep to it.
Speaker B:And I believe that the truth will prevail.
Speaker B:Like, you took my stuff.
Speaker B:You broke it.
Speaker B:I have a constitutional right to be compensated for what you stole from me.
Speaker B:It's pretty simple as far as supporting me.
Speaker B:Like, buy bump stock, man.
Speaker B:Buy your friends a bump stock.
Speaker B:Like, everybody should have a bump stock.
Speaker B:Like, it comes right to me.
Speaker B:And you know what I do with it?
Speaker B:I make more bump stocks.
Speaker B:Like, that's what I'm doing.
Speaker B:Like, I'm going right back into development.
Speaker B:When I stopped, when they shut me down, I had a whole book of ideas.
Speaker B:I just didn't have time to get to it all.
Speaker B:Round two, like, if I got to go back to work, let's have some fun.
Speaker B:Like, I'm gonna bring some new, cool stuff this time around.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's gonna get interesting.
Speaker A:I'm excited.
Speaker A:I don't know, seeing.
Speaker A:Seeing.
Speaker A:Hearing what?
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:Your brain and picking your brain.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm excited to see what you've got coming out.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's gonna be exciting times.
Speaker B: uction, chase down that Ruger: Speaker B:I want to redesign a couple of the AR models, get those back out there.
Speaker B:Got some ideas I'm kicking around for the Glock.
Speaker B:I think that's going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker B:Got to get these tools back up online so I can get back to my drawing board.
Speaker B:My buddy Tommy, like I said, he's running the front end of it.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He allows me the time to do things like this and.
Speaker B:And to get the production back online.
Speaker B:And just cheer for us, man.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's the biggest thing.
Speaker B:Just cheer for us.
Speaker A:Well, I am going to be sitting here cheering and purging from the rooftops that people need to get themselves a bump stock.
Speaker A:Because, you know, just hearing your story, it should resonate with Americans.
Speaker A:You know, you and gun owner, Americans and gun owners alike, that you came back from the military with this dream and you started a company from the ground up, built the company, owned the patents, did everything, and then had the government Kicking your teeth.
Speaker A:And now you are like a phoenix rising from the ashes, building that company back up, tying the government that it is my right to do this, and I'm not going to be silenced.
Speaker A:And we're going to make this company as great or greater than it was when you guys kicked in my door, stole my toys, and broke them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:It just absolutely blows me away as far as that.
Speaker B:You know, the more I sit back and think and go, that happened, like, in the United States of America, they took my stuff and broke it and told me to kick rocks.
Speaker B:It just.
Speaker B:It's unfathomable to me.
Speaker B:Like, what would you do if somebody robbed your house and then told you and you knew who did it and they told you to kick rocks?
Speaker B:Like, it just.
Speaker B:That's a great wrong that needs to be righted.
Speaker B:Otherwise, the system's broken.
Speaker B:I mean, if.
Speaker B:If they can just change how they read things, take your things, destroy them, and then go, oops, we made a mistake, and leave you holding the bag like, that's not America.
Speaker B:It's not the land I fought for.
Speaker A:It's sad that that is becoming the norm.
Speaker A:It really is.
Speaker A:And like I said earlier that the word that we talked about, accountability is companies and.
Speaker A:And the government do not hold accountability of themselves.
Speaker A:And it is now time for us, we, the people, to hold the government and everybody accountable for things that they've done and to do things to right those, and not only for your lawsuit, but for everything else that they've done to the Second Amendment over the years.
Speaker B:Well, John, on that, I think we've got.
Speaker B:I think we have a really good chance.
Speaker B:The Supreme Court, you know, going through my process and getting to listen to the justices.
Speaker B:I think they have the people's best interests at heart.
Speaker B:I really do.
Speaker B:When the government was sitting there going, well, we notified everybody and we put it in the public registry.
Speaker B:You know, the justice's response was pretty.
Speaker B:Pretty sarcastic.
Speaker B:He was like, yeah, I'm sure after Americans can get home from working all day long, you know, a hard day of labor, they pull up the federal registry to make sure they're not a criminal anymore.
Speaker B:Or, I mean, they were.
Speaker B:They were not happy with the government's argument.
Speaker B:So, I mean, that gives me hope.
Speaker B:But here's the thing is my statute on limitations as far as them taking my things runs out in March.
Speaker B:If this would have went on six months longer, I would have no recourse.
Speaker B:The time limit would have passed.
Speaker B:And, you know, justice delayed is justice denied.
Speaker B:So we have to be very careful with those things when bad things happen.
Speaker B:You know, we as a people need to make sure we hold those people accountable quickly.
Speaker B:And it doesn't take over half a decade to bring these things to resolution.
Speaker B:I mean, half a decade.
Speaker B:Most, some people don't get that long.
Speaker B:And I think that we need to be.
Speaker B:And I really hope that these new like Doge that they're talking about bringing in and cutting some of this red tape and making it more streamlined and making the government more efficient.
Speaker B:Maybe we can get the government out of our everyday life.
Speaker B:You know, I remember a day whenever I was growing up that the average person didn't talk about the government.
Speaker B:The government didn't play that big of a role in your everyday life.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker B:You only talked about it a couple times a year.
Speaker B:And one of those is when they took your money on taxes day.
Speaker B:But now, like we've gotten as a society, the government plays such a massive role in our lives every day, and it's unnecessary.
Speaker B:Like we, you know, as Americans, we were born free people.
Speaker B:We weren't born to be governed.
Speaker B:I mean, we were founded just on the opposite of that which we're trying to figure out a way to govern ourselves.
Speaker B:So, and I think we need to keep that in mind.
Speaker B:I think that we need to remember that we as a people don't ask permission.
Speaker B:We are the people.
Speaker B:I mean it just, it baffles me that we've forgotten that.
Speaker A:Well, it's, I, I 100 agree.
Speaker A:And the funny part that makes me laugh is, is you brought up what the, the justice has said, that the average day American does not go look at the registrar and look at what laws have come into place to see if they're criminals.
Speaker A:And think about the number of people who could have been prosecuted for a bump stock.
Speaker A:Think about the millions of Americans.
Speaker A:And because, because we're bringing, we got to rope in everything else that we talked about.
Speaker A:Think of the military, the, the 65 million or whatever, the number of people with pistol braces, the amount of people with bump stocks who became felons overnight if they are not in the echo chamber that I, that is the firearms industry or, or not as deep as, you know, you and I are into this, into the industry.
Speaker A:How would they know until, until they got arrested?
Speaker A:They wouldn't.
Speaker A:And we saw this again.
Speaker A:There's another item that again ties in with yours is the FRT triggers.
Speaker B:They were right.
Speaker A:Taking people's sales records and going to people's houses, I don't know how many that happened with the bump stock.
Speaker A:But I know the FRTs were very public about that, but how many Americans were just instantly felons overnight and didn't even know it?
Speaker B:Well, John, I want to make this clear.
Speaker B:I've never given out anybody's sales information.
Speaker B:That's one.
Speaker B:I'm not required to keep anybody's information.
Speaker B:So I don't.
Speaker B:And that's one of the.
Speaker B:I fight for people's freedoms just like they fight for mine.
Speaker B:Like, if I'm not required to keep your information, I don't do it that way.
Speaker B:If they come knocking, I don't have.
Speaker B:So I encourage people to be that way.
Speaker B:Like, be free.
Speaker B:Like, if you're not required to keep something, why would you.
Speaker B:Like, I don't want your information.
Speaker B:I sent you your bump stock.
Speaker B:I don't need to know anymore.
Speaker B:And there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker B:So the FRTs, I think they're getting a bad deal.
Speaker B: Like, I designed one back in: Speaker B:I had.
Speaker B:Had it my packing book.
Speaker B:That one was.
Speaker B:I knew that one was going to be a nightmare.
Speaker B:That's why I hadn't gotten around to it.
Speaker B:But in that book, there's a lot of things that I can get around to now, especially now that the Supreme Court ruled.
Speaker B:Like, because they made it very, very clear, it's black and white now.
Speaker B:You don't get to make up things.
Speaker B:And I can read better than most of them can.
Speaker B:So that's the thing is, like, whenever they came after me, I'm like, what rules are you going to try to get me on?
Speaker B:Like, when I've been thinking I've been sitting here for 12 years trying to figure out how you're going to get me.
Speaker B:I can't really.
Speaker B:I mean, other than breaking the law.
Speaker B:Like, y' all did.
Speaker B:Like, how are you going to stop physics?
Speaker B:Like, that's.
Speaker B:My product runs on physics.
Speaker B:Like, you're going to ban physics.
Speaker B:These guys are insane.
Speaker B:Like, it just blows me away, so.
Speaker A:Well, that brings up a good point.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You invented this item, and then you spent years thinking about how they're going to come after you, and they couldn't.
Speaker A:But, you know, that's something that had to keep you up at night just thinking about how are they going to come after me for something that doesn't break the law.
Speaker B:Well, you know, I remember in the beginning, because the laws are very clear.
Speaker B:Like, my product is not a machine gun.
Speaker B:It doesn't create an automatic firing cycle.
Speaker B:Like, you have to have inhuman input for each and every round fired.
Speaker B:So it's Very easy to read the law and just like the justices did at the Supreme Court level and go, this is not a machine gun.
Speaker B:It's all the feelings that people get into it and they're like, well, it shoots fast.
Speaker B:Like one of the justices, she's like, looks like a dog, quacks like a duck, must be a duck.
Speaker B:And that's the dangerous part when you have people say unintelligent statements like that.
Speaker B:Because you, you know as well as I do that just because something looks like it sounds like it doesn't mean it is.
Speaker B:And to assume that it is is foolish.
Speaker B:So like that's, I think that's one of the things that we need to do as far as a people is educate our, educate individuals on those laws.
Speaker B:Because most people don't know.
Speaker B:Even though justices didn't like listen to the oral arguments on my case.
Speaker B:And you can clearly tell that there's a couple of justices that had no clue what the definition of a machine gun was defined by Congress.
Speaker B:So I think that needs to be addressed just for the accountability within the justice system.
Speaker B:But back to more of your statement.
Speaker B:And I think all of these gun, I mean, shall not be infringed is a pretty, pretty plain statement written.
Speaker B:And just from all the legal work that I've done over the years, it's been pretty hard to misinterpret.
Speaker B:Shall not be infringed.
Speaker B:And I think we need to take a harder look at that.
Speaker B:I mean, I have no problem with punishing criminals.
Speaker B:You know, if people hurt children, tie a grindstone to them, it's.
Speaker B:But to prohibit law abiding individuals from protecting themselves the way that they see fitness, I think it's a dangerous line to tread.
Speaker B:I just did it and I.
Speaker B:There's not a lot that you can argue that I think would change my mind on that.
Speaker B:You know, there's a lot of people that don't like guns and that's fine.
Speaker B:Have a plan to protect yourself.
Speaker B:Like that's all that's required.
Speaker B:Like some people are scared of them.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:Like, I shoot with people all the time and there are people that are terrified of guns just because they're loud.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And sometimes a suppressor makes that even better, which is funny.
Speaker B:But if you, if guns aren't your thing, that's fine.
Speaker B:Have a plan.
Speaker B:A taser, pepper spray, a sharp pencil, something.
Speaker B:Just don't be a victim.
Speaker B:That's my biggest thing.
Speaker B:And as far as like taking people's rights away, mind your business.
Speaker B:It's really that Simple.
Speaker B:So more, more Americans need to do that.
Speaker B:Mind their business.
Speaker A:I couldn't agree more.
Speaker A:It, it's funny you brought up the, you know, the statements brought, and it's crazy how uneducated the anti gunners are.
Speaker A:And then you go to educate them and they claim that you're wrong, but they, they feel very passionate about something that they know nothing about.
Speaker A:And the information is out there.
Speaker A:You know, you hear, you hear members of Congress go, an AR15 weighs as much as 50 shipping boxes or a 9 millimeter will blow your lung clear out.
Speaker A:You know, it's insane to the, you know, we've seen even news channels when they're trying to push anti gun rhetoric going, this is an AR15 shooting a watermelon.
Speaker A:No, that's a shotgun shooting a watermelon.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker B:Well, look at the videos they put out of a bump stock when that happened.
Speaker B:Those weren't even, they put a grenade launcher on the end of the gun.
Speaker B:I'm like, if you put any weight on the end of a gun, it makes the bump stock mess up.
Speaker B:So like, don't overload.
Speaker B:Like, it's all fear mongering.
Speaker B:That's all this is, is fear mongering.
Speaker B:And it's horrible.
Speaker B:Like, there's enough bad things out in the world.
Speaker B:Let's not make up things so well.
Speaker A:And that's what it is.
Speaker A:Fear sells fear cells and the 24 hour news cycle needs something for people to get hooked on.
Speaker A:And fear is one of them.
Speaker A:And it's insane.
Speaker A:You know, the, the, the attacks that they do on this, not knowing anything about it.
Speaker A:And then you go to educate them and then they get mad at you, but then you're like, well, here's the actual statistics, here's all the data.
Speaker A:Here's, here's the actual truth.
Speaker A:Well, you're wrong because you don't agree with me.
Speaker A:And that's, that's an issue that I've brought up before is as Americans, I don't know when we lost it, I don't know how we lost it, but we lost the art of civil conversation and we've lost the art of talking.
Speaker B:You taught, you touched on it, the words truth.
Speaker B:Nobody's interested in the truth, John.
Speaker B:I mean, if you were interested in the truth and you're in the city judiciary committee over bump stocks a couple of, of weeks ago and you wanted to know what they were, wouldn't you call the inventor?
Speaker B:Like, if you want to know what a bump stock is, who do you think can explain it to you?
Speaker B:The best They've never called me and asked me.
Speaker B:They've made up all Florida, made up some crazy law about bump stocks, too, which it does.
Speaker B:None of the things that it says a bump stock does.
Speaker B:These people are just making up rules, and they don't even know what they're doing.
Speaker B:And they've got the person they could call and ask, hey, what?
Speaker B:How does a bump stock work?
Speaker B:But they don't even bother.
Speaker B:They just make up arbitrary rules.
Speaker B:And then I look at the law and go, well, this is a dead law on the books.
Speaker B:Like, you look at it and there's two stack or there's two definitions underneath the bump stock.
Speaker B:And a bump stock doesn't meet either one of those definitions.
Speaker B:So I'm like, this law in Florida, the bump stock ban in Florida, I'm like, it's a law with no teeth, but it scares people.
Speaker B:And I'm like, that's not okay.
Speaker B:And so that's something that I hope somebody addresses is because the Supreme Court's definition, they defined what a buck stock was clearly defined or clearly sets aside what Florida's definition is.
Speaker B:So, I mean, that's.
Speaker B:That's the big thing is people don't want to know the truth.
Speaker B:They don't want to ask those questions and become educated, because then if they become educated, they have to take accountability and they can't just side with their feelings.
Speaker B:One of the things that I've noticed over the last few, five years is we've stopped using words to communicate information and logic, but we've started using words to communicate feelings instead.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:I think that's why everybody's so confused is we stop talking about information, we start talking about feelings.
Speaker A:I couldn't agree more.
Speaker A:I mean, dealing with it, I've dealt with it before.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's safe spaces and you can't say mean things.
Speaker A:And sometimes you got to say the mean things to people they need to know.
Speaker A:Unfortunately, sometimes it's the truth.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Truth hurts.
Speaker A:It does.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Go ahead and tell people where they can find you.
Speaker A:Socials, website, anything that you want to give, any way they can support you.
Speaker A:All the above.
Speaker A:Go ahead and plug away.
Speaker B:All right, we're on bumpstock.com or slide fire.com we just rebar.
Speaker B:We just brought back the slide fire.com domain.
Speaker B:We've got our products rolling out one after another.
Speaker B:And as we get the tooling on, you can find us on Instagram.
Speaker B:My personal handles the bearded profit.
Speaker B:Bearded Profit or Slide Fire reboot.
Speaker B:We're on X is slide fire and YouTube as well as Slide Fire.
Speaker B:So maybe Zuck will give us our Facebook page back.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, we haven't had much luck with that.
Speaker B:As far as supporting us.
Speaker B:Tell your friends, tell your family.
Speaker B:We're back.
Speaker B:Check out my products.
Speaker B:If you can buy one, you want to buy one.
Speaker B:It's fun.
Speaker B:Like, it's a blast.
Speaker B:Go out to the range, have a good time.
Speaker B:Be safe.
Speaker B:Like, let everybody shoot it.
Speaker B:Like use a 9 millimeter or something like that.
Speaker B:So the ammo is not as expensive, but it also works on the 22 as well with a good trigger.
Speaker B:So there's multiple ways to go out and have fun.
Speaker B:The biggest thing is, like, just know what your rights are.
Speaker B:Like, know what your rights are.
Speaker B:Educate yourself, stand up for those things.
Speaker B:Don't let them push you around.
Speaker B:Can be kind to each other.
Speaker B:We're people.
Speaker B:We're people and we should care about each other and support my company if you would like.
Speaker B:We're going to fight this thing all the way through.
Speaker B:We're going to get some answers.
Speaker B:I'm hoping this sparks more conversation.
Speaker B:I would love for President Trump to pick me to lead the congressional investigation into what happened at Vegas because there's a lot of people that deserve answers.
Speaker B:I'm one of them.
Speaker B:So turn me loose.
Speaker B:I'll figure it out.
Speaker B:I just gotta take the reins off me.
Speaker A:Well, I appreciate you for being on and sharing your story, guys.
Speaker A:Make sure to like, share and subscribe.
Speaker A:Go buy a bump stock, go hang out.
Speaker A:You know, this guy is.
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