Episode 51
The Truth about Turkish Made Guns (ft. SDS Imports) | EP 51
On this episode of GOA's State of the Second, host John sits down with Adam and Jared from SDS Imports to take apart the long-running stigma around Turkish-made firearms. Jared, the company's digital marketing manager, and Adam, the product manager who was calling in from a hot hotel room in Istanbul, walk through how a company that once carried a so-so reputation for imports turned things around by finding the right manufacturers and building guns to American specs rather than just buying whatever was on the shelf. The reality, as they put it, is that the right factories in Turkey are running brand new CNC machinery, clean facilities, and quality assembly teams following prints, and some of those shops rival what's here in the US.
The conversation runs through the brands under the SDS umbrella and the thinking behind each one. They cover bringing back nostalgic names like Mac and Inglis, the double-stack 1911 push with Tisas and Mac at price points like $799 and around $1,050, and why phasing out MIM parts starting in late 2022 mattered to the US shooter even though it added a couple bucks to the gun. They get into the Turkinelli shotguns, where SDS went back to the drawing board after an early misstep, vetted the guns at Gunsite and through Rangemaster and Apache Solutions courses, and pointed to Agency Arms using their guns for the 1014 and M2 Tradesman lines. Jared makes the case for the PX9 as the most slept-on polymer striker-fired gun on the market, built around the widely available P226 and 228 magazines instead of a proprietary mag.
The back half turns to the future of the sport and the business. Spandau over-unders, with parts hand-fitted and wood hand-checkered, are aimed at youth shooting sports and competitive shooters, and Jared connects that to a state high school championship with 2,000 youth shooters and the SCTP Nationals as the future of firearms ownership. The hosts tie shotgun sports to an on-ramp to the Second Amendment, echoing a point from Pete Brownell. They also talk 5.7 and its resurgence, the constant churn of new SKUs and the marketing headaches that come with continual improvement, the retro trend driving demand for guns like the US Army 1911 and the soon-to-be-released Mac 5, and where to find SDS at sdsimports.com and across social media.
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Questions this episode answers
Why do Turkish-made guns carry a reputation for being cheap, and is it still accurate?
The stigma traces to older imports that earned a so-so reputation, but SDS Imports argues it is outdated. The right Turkish factories run brand new CNC machinery in clean facilities with quality assembly teams building to American specs, and some rival US shops.
How does SDS Imports control quality when it isn't the direct manufacturer of its guns?
SDS picks the right factories and builds guns to American specs rather than buying whatever is on the shelf, the same way a US company selects its vendors and manufacturing partners. Adam inspects the guns in person at the factories in Turkey.
Why did SDS bring back old names like Mac and Inglis instead of using the original brand names?
SDS revives nostalgic American names like Mac and Inglis because there is real demand for those familiar marks, which fits the retro trend driving interest in classic-style guns.
How can SDS sell double-stack 1911s at price points like $799 and around $1,050?
SDS runs its double-stack 1911 push through the Tisas and Mac brands, offering models at roughly $799 and around $1,050 while still building to American specs.
When and why did SDS phase out MIM parts in its guns?
SDS began phasing out MIM (metal injection molded) parts in late 2022 because the US shooter demanded it, even though it added a couple of dollars to each gun. Jared notes MIM done right can be decent, but customer preference drove the change.
What makes the PX9 different from other polymer striker-fired pistols, and why does the magazine choice matter?
Jared calls the PX9 the most slept-on polymer striker-fired gun on the market, largely because it is built around the widely available P226 and 228 magazines instead of a proprietary mag, which makes feeding it easier.
Why is SDS focused on youth shooting sports with the Spandau over-under shotguns?
The Spandau over-unders are hand-fitted with hand-checkered wood and aimed at youth and competitive shooters. Jared ties them to events like a 2,000-shooter state high school championship and the SCTP Nationals, which he sees as the future of firearms ownership.
What new products are coming from SDS, including the Mac 5 and 5.7 models?
SDS pointed to the soon-to-be-released Mac 5 and discussed the resurgence of the 5.7 cartridge, alongside a constant churn of new SKUs driven by continual improvement and the retro trend.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Intro and meeting Adam and Jared from SDS
- 00:30 — SDS backstory and the Turkish manufacturing stigma
- 02:43 — Why bring back Mac, Inglis, and old names
- 05:24 — Double-stack 1911s and competitive price points
- 08:01 — Getting rid of MIM parts and the warranty
- 10:33 — Inside the factories: machinery and quality control
- 14:37 — The Turkinelli shotguns and vetting them in training
- 20:00 — Spandau over-unders and hand-fit craftsmanship
- 24:45 — Youth shooting sports as the future of ownership
- 27:27 — The PX9 as the most slept-on polymer pistol
- 32:08 — New SKUs, caliber requests, and marketing headaches
- 36:56 — Why 5.7 and importing it under restrictions
- 40:21 — The retro trend and the coming Mac 5
- 46:12 — Where to find SDS Imports and wrap-up
About the guest
Adam and Jared both work for SDS Imports. Jared is the company's digital marketing manager, handling its website and social media, and is the person they put in front of the camera at booth shows; he describes himself as an outdoorsman, a hunter, and a global war on terror veteran. Adam started with SDS at the end of 2020 when there were four employees besides the owners, and worked his way from warehouse lead to general manager to operations manager to product manager; he has been in firearm manufacturing since 2015 and recorded this episode from Istanbul, Turkey, where he was inspecting guns at the factories.
Key quotes
"my little catchphrase is why reinvent the wheel instead of just keep it rolling" — Adam
"there's some people that argue that MIM is, is pretty decent stuff and I think if it's done right, you can get some quality parts out of it. But the US Shooter demanded that we do away with mim." — Jared
"So it's, it's just like here, you got to pick the right vendors and the right manufacturing partners." — Jared
"We're gun guys working in the business for other gun guys." — Adam
"I still think it's the most slept on gun in the polymer striker fire segment right now." — Jared
"2,000 youth shooters at one place for one weekend is, it's, it's the future of shooting." — Jared
Transcript
Welcome to Goa State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:My name is John and I am joined today by Adam and Jared from SDS Imports.
Speaker A:Guys, how are you today?
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker C:I am hot.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:It is hot and humid in South Carolina today.
Speaker B:I'm in a hot hotel room in Istanbul, Turkey.
Speaker A:I'm glad I'm in a nice air conditioned studio in South Carolina to do this one.
Speaker A:Well, guys, let's start off.
Speaker A:Let's get a little backstory on SDS Imports, where the company started, how you guys have grown over the last couple of years.
Speaker A:And start with that.
Speaker C:I'm Jared with SDS Imports.
Speaker C:I'm our digital marketing manager.
Speaker C:So I handle pretty much all the things you see that happen with our website, our social media.
Speaker C:If you come to any of the booth shows and we do interviews, I'm kind of the guy that they put in front of the camera.
Speaker C:It's been with the company for a couple years now and, and I love seeing the progress we've made.
Speaker C:It's been a really fun adventure to see a company that's kind of taken, I guess, a so, so reputation for imports and like turn it around and just make phenomenal products that just keep impressing customers every.
Speaker B:Yeah, my side of it.
Speaker B: enough start with SDS back in: Speaker B: At the end of: Speaker B:And we, we took it from there and kept growing.
Speaker B:The last couple years, I went from warehouse lead to general manager to operations manager to now I'm product manager.
Speaker B:So I've kind of worked my way through all the different systems helping build where we're at and I had my hands in a lot of things.
Speaker B:And like Jared said, we're trying to take that reputation not only of just imports, but Turkish manufacturing and, you know, shine a better light on that because they've caught this stigmata of just being cheap shotguns that don't work, when the reality is if you find the right manufacturers like we spent the last couple years doing, you find that you can get great quality firearms for an affordable price.
Speaker B:And that's what we're trying to pass along to the American consumers.
Speaker A:No, and I love hearing that.
Speaker A:I love seeing the gross growth of SDS Imports over the last couple years.
Speaker A:You guys have added a number of different lines to your repertoire.
Speaker A:So first we've got the, the Mac line.
Speaker A:You brought back Mac, Then you've got the Tsauce line, you've got Spandau Tokarev shotguns, now Inglis.
Speaker A:I mean, you guys have really brought A lot of the old names back, like Inglis and Mac and kind of put a new spin on it and brought it back to the forefront of the firearms industry.
Speaker A:You know, what was the thought process behind bringing Mac and Inglis back and all the other brands that you guys encompass underneath SDS Imports?
Speaker C:You know, some of its marketing, some of it's just kind of, you know, pulling on the nostalgic heartstrings of a lot of shooters.
Speaker C:You know, as Adam can tell you, working with Turkish manufacturers, sometimes it's hard to bring their company names over there over to, to the US and they translate well or, you know, they roll off the tongue as well as something like Military Armament Corporation, which doesn't really roll off the tongue when you say it long form.
Speaker C:But we kind of found manufacturers that were willing to build products that kind of fit those brand names.
Speaker C:And we're not just buying their product, we're building them to our specs.
Speaker C:We're saying, hey, this is what the American consumer wants, this is what they demand.
Speaker C:And then if we find a product that fits with the manufacturer, we kind of look at a namesake that's going to make that fit as well.
Speaker C:Inglis was a no br.
Speaker C:Um, you know, we wanted some military nostalgic looking high powers.
Speaker C: high powers look like flashy: Speaker C:So Inglis was a no brainer.
Speaker C:Mac was kind of the same thing.
Speaker C: Tsauce has made: Speaker C: e, you know, oh man, the JSOC: Speaker C:And we went ahead and did that.
Speaker C:So we find those namesakes or those properties that maybe, maybe have been forgotten or abandoned and we're kind of resurrecting them, giving them new life.
Speaker C:And like Adam can tell you, we just find the right manufacturer to partner with each brand and just kind of run with it.
Speaker B:Yeah, my little catchphrase is why reinvent the wheel instead of just keep it rolling.
Speaker B:Mac has been there.
Speaker B:Everybody recognizes the Mac 10, Mac 11.
Speaker B:The names are out there.
Speaker B:It's easier to, you know, tap into that nostalgia.
Speaker B:And you know, we made that our tactical, you know, cool vintage line.
Speaker B:So each brand has its umbrella where we try to stay into and that helps with the SDS umbrella to where we can kind of create a gun for every customer.
Speaker B: her end, we have our pistols,: Speaker B:We've got the tactical home defense, we've even got the over unders with Spandau.
Speaker B:And again, like Jared said, we're bringing that English high power back, but we're even flushing those out as well with coming out with different newer versions of the, you know, the high powers and stuff.
Speaker B:The way we keep rolling.
Speaker A: rm of first off, double stack: Speaker A:And now you guys have two different models, both at price points that are super competitive.
Speaker A:I mean you've got the Tsauce line which has, you know, the standard, both five inch and four and a quarter inch double sex.
Speaker A:And then you also add the, the Night Stalker into it, which is a beautiful gun if I might say so myself.
Speaker A:Then you've got the Mac line that's got the.
Speaker A:We no longer have the bushing on the end.
Speaker A:It's more tactical, it's more what you look for.
Speaker A:But it's still at a very competitive price point compared to everybody else.
Speaker C:The double stacks were just kind of a one, two punch.
Speaker C:We saw a space in the market, we saw that people were, were just trying to keep making them more and more expensive.
Speaker C: , the reality of double stack: Speaker C:Shooting a, a plastic grip module is way less expensive than machining the magazine.
Speaker C: d can tell you that that that: Speaker C:It's either broach or wire edm, which adds a lot to the manufacturing cost of the pistol.
Speaker C: So double stack: Speaker C:The forged frames, the machining, the 70 series internals up top.
Speaker C:So we weren't again, you know, reinventing Anything.
Speaker C:We were just applying what has worked for TSAU so well to this platform.
Speaker C:And with, you know, Checkmates, magazines being affordable and reliable, you know, I think the industry has responded well to it.
Speaker C:Every day I see new and new reviews that people are like, how did they do it for $799?
Speaker C:How did they do it for a thousand fifty?
Speaker C:I think a lot of other companies could have done it too.
Speaker C:They just chose to, to not do it and charge more for them.
Speaker B: we're coming up with our new: Speaker B:It's very affordable.
Speaker B:It's 3, $500.
Speaker B:And I was like, awesome.
Speaker B:I don't know who that's affordable for, but not me.
Speaker A:And that, and that's the cool part about, you know, you guys being an importer and bringing things in.
Speaker A:First off, it's high quality stuff.
Speaker A:I know Tsauce has all the ISO certifications and all the, the requirements to be a international manufacturer as well as they do stuff for the Turkish military and things like that.
Speaker A:So they have to keep up to those high standards.
Speaker A: le have with when it comes to: Speaker A:So how do you guys get over that?
Speaker A:Is it, is the TSAUCE line completely machine parts or is it.
Speaker A:There are some MIM parts inside of it completely machine?
Speaker B:We got rid of MIM parts probably what, two, two and a half years ago?
Speaker C: , late: Speaker C: For the most part in: Speaker C:There was, and maybe some of the US armies probably until like early this year still had MIM recoil spring plugs, but it was such a, a mo, literally, it didn't matter.
Speaker C:We've never had a failure from them.
Speaker C:But all of our higher end guns right now are all MIM free.
Speaker C:I, I actually just answered this question on YouTube a few days ago and I sent an email out.
Speaker C:Like usually we got a tech update every time we like exhausted the supply of a MIM part and the last one was recoil spring plugs.
Speaker C:And even then the guns are covered for life.
Speaker C:We have, you know, a one year warranty in the lifetime service plan.
Speaker C:So, you know, if you do have a failure from one of our older guns and it's a MEM part hit up Customer support.
Speaker C:We're going to square you away and make it right.
Speaker C:You know, there's, that was just kind of one of those things that we did.
Speaker C:You know, there's some people that argue that MIM is, is pretty decent stuff and I think if it's done right, you can get some quality parts out of it.
Speaker C:But the US Shooter demanded that we do away with mim.
Speaker C:And there's still manufacturers in Turkey that are making a lot of MIM parts and importing a lot of guns with MIM components and, you know, more power to them if that's how they want to run their business.
Speaker C:But there was one of those cues where know, we, we go to NRA or you know, all these shows and maybe this year, goal show people come up and be like, I really dig that you guys chose not to use mim, that you guys took the high road and yeah, maybe it added a couple bucks to the price of the gun, but we're still coming in way more affordable than I think a lot of our competition is for the quality that we're putting out.
Speaker A:Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker A:I mean the, the complaints on MIM from people are, are so much.
Speaker A:And now that you guys and to set this record straight, you know, machine parts are fantastic.
Speaker A:And now that you guys are replacing all those min parts with machine parts, that's also showing that the quality of manufacturing coming out of Turkey is not what it used to be.
Speaker A:It's not, you know, like Adam said that the cheap shotguns was this misnomer and now we're seeing that it's really quality firearms at very affordable prices coming out of Turkey.
Speaker B:I've been in a lot of manufacturers this, this last week and a half and I'm truly seeing what they're doing over here.
Speaker B:They're running, you know, brand new machinery, CNC machines, you know, stacked in the manufacturers quality assembly teams that are following prints.
Speaker B:They've got prints up.
Speaker B:I mean, I've worked in, I was in manufacturing before, you know.
Speaker B: e firearm manufacturing since: Speaker B:So I've worked in a lot of shops myself.
Speaker B:And these guys are running top notch shops.
Speaker B:I would if it don't work out for me at sds, I'm moving the turkey and getting a job here.
Speaker B:Start running machines because they take care of their people at all our manufacturers.
Speaker B:They're feeding them breakfast, lunch, they take their breaks.
Speaker B:They've got clean, super clean facilities.
Speaker B:I'm walking around, getting to meet everybody and, you know, shake their hands.
Speaker B:Thank Them for making my job easier because they're literally, you know, they're putting in the time and effort over here and they're listening and learning from us.
Speaker B:If there's something that comes up, they want to know about it.
Speaker B:Literally, customer service had a customer reach back out and said they were missing their pack of accessories in their box.
Speaker B:I spoke with our manufacturer contact.
Speaker B:He pulled up the camera feed where that box was actually packaged, packaged at the serial numbers going through.
Speaker B:And he showed me where that was put in the packaging.
Speaker B:Do we question it for the customer?
Speaker B:No, we just go ahead and replace it and then go forth.
Speaker B:But we're working with the manufacturers to make sure our quality is, you know, kept to a standard.
Speaker B:And they're working with us to do the same with us.
Speaker B:It's all up front.
Speaker B:We're using the manufacturers.
Speaker B:If that gun's made in Tokarev, it's made in Tokarev and that they actually own that name and that's their factory.
Speaker C:There's some factories over there.
Speaker C:And it's just like here in the US you'll go to some machine shops and it's, it's, you know, not, not clean.
Speaker C:They're using old, worn out machinery.
Speaker C:They have run out tolerance issues and things like that.
Speaker C:And then you see some facilities that they're building.
Speaker C:NASCAR Eng in Mooresville, North Carolina, one of the companies that we use, when we got like a tour of their factory, you could have put that in Mooresville under Roger Penske or whatever.
Speaker C:NASCAR aerospace facility, and it would have put it to shame.
Speaker C:I was like, so I think a lot of people are like, oh, Turkey, you know, they're still living, you know, in the mountains.
Speaker C:No guys, like, it's, it's the machinery that they have, their rivals that we have here, some of the machine shops over there, we could learn a thing or two from them and, and how they're doing things.
Speaker C:So it's, it's just like here, you got to pick the right vendors and the right manufacturing partners.
Speaker C:And because we have guys like Adam going over there, we're just not waiting for the containers to show up at port here and say, hey, we got a bunch of guns in.
Speaker C:Adam's been in Turkey for the last week.
Speaker C:I think he's having a little more fun than, than what I think he should have had on a work trip.
Speaker C:But it just goes to show, we have guys that are there.
Speaker C:We have, you know, everyday shooters from the US that are over there.
Speaker C:We're cherry picking who we're working with.
Speaker C:We're telling people no if we don't think that their product is up to snuff and then our partners are willing to work with us to make improvements, which just makes it better for everyone.
Speaker A:No, and I couldn't agree more.
Speaker A:I mean, and Adam hit the nail on the head.
Speaker A:I mean, it is, it is that negative connotation with Turkey.
Speaker A:And like you said, a lot of people think, oh, it's just a, a guy in a mountain or a guy, you know, in a cave in a cave somewhere building, building these guns where these factories are some of the best factories in the world.
Speaker A:And we're seeing the, the product, I mean, over the last five to 10 years, we'll say the, the quality of product has really come out to be a very good quality product, very high standard of manufacturing.
Speaker A:Like you said, Jared, you could put some of these factories in the US and no would think any differently.
Speaker A:That would put a lot of the current factories to shame.
Speaker A:Yeah, and we love seeing that.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:We've, we've touched on Mac, we've touched on the, the double stacks.
Speaker A:Let's touch on the Turkinelli.
Speaker A:Because a lot of people talk about Turkey's.
Speaker A:It's a name that comes synonymous.
Speaker A:You know, what, what's been the reception to those and what has been the, you know, the pain points in the kind of, you know, you guys have had one of the, the Macs go a ton around.
Speaker A:So what, what has been the reception on those?
Speaker C:So, you know, we're, we're, you know, SDS Imports is, is guilty of it early before the pandemic.
Speaker C:We brought in some, some, you know, Benelli clones that were sworn up to snuff.
Speaker C:And, and we learned our lesson and so we went back to the drawing board and we, we partnered with an amazing manufacturing partner to help make these guns.
Speaker C:And we said this is what they have to be.
Speaker C:This is what they need to be.
Speaker C:We, you know, we, we all cower at James Reeves and his, you know, 5,000 round burn down or whatever it is.
Speaker C:I don't care anymore.
Speaker C:And, and so we went back to the drawing board and we, we built them from the ground up.
Speaker C:We found the manufacturer that made the parts for us, that's making the accessories for us.
Speaker C: guns to build, you know, our: Speaker C:It's like, hey, you know, yeah, Turkinelli.
Speaker C:And it's cool.
Speaker C:We had some Turkey Nelli shirts at nra and they were fun.
Speaker C:We got some laughs out of them.
Speaker C:But the guns are serious.
Speaker C:There's a lot of aftermarket parts available for them.
Speaker C:We have training companies use them.
Speaker C:Adam and some of the guys went through Rangemaster shotgun courses with them.
Speaker C:When we launched them, we took a dozen of them out to Gunsite for a week and ran the snot out of them.
Speaker C:So we, we vetted these a lot differently than.
Speaker C:And that's what I think changed the course for us, where instead of importing, we were like, hey, let's.
Speaker C:Let's help design these.
Speaker C:Let's make sure that these are what we say they are.
Speaker C:And, yeah, I mean, there's still those.
Speaker C:Those guys that are never going to get over it.
Speaker C:They're all always going to be like, oh, it's a Turkinelli, and sorry, you don't have one.
Speaker C:That's all I can say to them now.
Speaker C:Like, you could save yourself some money, get some good training, some good ammo for the same price point as, you know, one of the original versions just to piggyback on.
Speaker B:Like Jared said, they started making them when we were young.
Speaker B:We did the same thing.
Speaker B:We jumped on them real quick.
Speaker B:As soon as we got them in the States, we realized, no, no, no, no, no, this ain't what SDS is.
Speaker B:So we, we stepped back, we let everybody else have it for a little bit, and we went back to the drawing board.
Speaker B:We said, we want one for one.
Speaker B:This is what we're doing.
Speaker B:We want these things to be quality.
Speaker B:We want them to run.
Speaker B:We want them to fit the accessories that we have and anything else on the market that somebody else might want.
Speaker B:Because proprietary is a dirty word in our.
Speaker B:In our industry.
Speaker B:And everybody.
Speaker B:If you.
Speaker B:If you can't go somewhere and, you know, pick up that extra stock or that magazine or whatever, if it don't fit, you know, you're not going to buy it.
Speaker B:You're just going to leave it sitting on the shelf.
Speaker B:So that's, you know, we.
Speaker B:So, like Jared said, I've been going out and getting in a training, you know, trained under Tom Givens.
Speaker B:Got my shotgun range certification for instructor for that.
Speaker B:Was able to meet some great guys from Apache Solutions in North Carolina.
Speaker B:They were interested in it.
Speaker B:Everybody's ears perked up because when we first started, they was like, oh, these guys brought their Turkish shotguns to this course.
Speaker B:It ain't even going to make it through the weekend.
Speaker B:Let's just say by day two, they were like, what is that and where did you get it?
Speaker B:And I was like, well, it's ours and how do you, how many do you want?
Speaker B:There was a couple people that were going and buying them before they got out of the class.
Speaker B:There was like, hey man, I already got that ship into my ffl.
Speaker B:It's going to be there waiting on me.
Speaker B:And I wanted to make sure to get these guns into the guys that actually care about quality training.
Speaker B:You know, the real world scenarios where you're going to want to trust your gun with your life and they're going to run it and abuse it and not just spin the fluff and be like, hey, this is a good gun.
Speaker B:They're out.
Speaker B:You know, they're putting their stamp on it.
Speaker B:And Apache has done great work.
Speaker B:They really, you know, helped spread the word of Mac for us.
Speaker B:We got them some pistols and stuff.
Speaker B:So they've been wearing our double stacks out as well.
Speaker B:They, they've come become a pretty good partner for my and us and the product manager because they're actually sending us back issues or if they find issues and you know, there's minor things, but that's what I'm here trying to fix because that's what we do if we mess up.
Speaker B:We're going to learn from our mistakes and we're going to fix it as quick as possible because we want to make sure everybody's got the quality firearms that we're promising to sell them, you know, because everybody's dollar, no matter if they're spending three or three thousand, it's worth it to them.
Speaker B:And they want to make sure they're getting what they're, you know, they're asking what they're wanting.
Speaker A:No, and I said that it speaks volumes about SDS imports and who they are.
Speaker A:I mean, you guys are bringing in guns even though you're not the direct manufacturer of it.
Speaker A:You are in control of the quality, you're in control of the guns and that builds a strong name.
Speaker A:And we've seen the growth of STS imports over the last three to five years.
Speaker A:I mean, you guys, it went from, you know, oh, they're just another importer to now, hey, you guys are bringing in some of the highest quality guns from all over, from Turkey and everything like that.
Speaker A:That goes into the, the next company I want to talk about with this.
Speaker A:It's the quality of those Spandau shotguns.
Speaker A:They are some of the highest quality shotguns I have seen for a price point that is super competitive for, for the quality of materials that go into that, you know, Jared, do you want to touch on the, you know, your partnership with Spandau and how that gun has become like synonymous with pheasants forever,.
Speaker C:Man.
Speaker C:The Spandau project.
Speaker C:Jeff Jackson, the project manager for that product, he was a collegiate shooter, Trapski, sporting place, all that.
Speaker C:And it was a passion project and we all kind of looked back at the shotgun market.
Speaker C:It was either really cheap or really expensive.
Speaker C:And there was this hole and if you notice, we're just finding those places where we can fit in.
Speaker C:And he went overseas and he worked for a while and like pretty much designed these from the ground up.
Speaker C:And it was like, this is what we want for this.
Speaker C:And that A big part of the focus on Spandau was youth shooting sports.
Speaker C:So we wanted to price them that, you know, a parent that their kid was getting into competitive shooting could afford it, not really compromise on a lot of things and have some money left over for extra ammo or more of those traveling trips.
Speaker C:And I, I'm an outdoorsman, I'm a hunter.
Speaker C:I think more than anything, the premier field is my, is.
Speaker C:Is.
Speaker C:That's my baby.
Speaker C:I love that gun.
Speaker C:I shoot that thing every time I get a chance to.
Speaker C:Even my son, you know, he comes up, he's like, dad, I want to get into competitive shooting.
Speaker C:And I was like running to the safe.
Speaker C:I had like ars and extra pistol belts.
Speaker C:He's like, I want to shoot shotguns.
Speaker C:And I was like, I don't know nothing about this.
Speaker C:And so this brand is, is very beginner friendly, it's very affordable and for what you get is, is amazing.
Speaker C:I think Jeff and the whole project management team, they knocked it out of the park with that.
Speaker C:The manufacturers are using for those guns over there are, I mean have decades, if not probably a century of experience building high end shotguns for, for competitive shooters.
Speaker C:And again, coming out of Turkey.
Speaker C:So it's just us finding those right partners and making the products that I think fit really well.
Speaker C:It's, it's been a blast.
Speaker C:I can't wait for July.
Speaker C:We're, we're going on a 10 day road trip starting at like the SCTP Nationals and hitting all these summer shotgun sporting events.
Speaker C:And I think we're gonna end up at Camp Perry.
Speaker C:So it's gonna be super fun to get out on the range and see people, you know, teenagers, even young adults, you know, college guys and maybe some old timers out on the range using our guns and just having a blast.
Speaker C:And yeah, if you're, if you're not into over under shotgun shooting sporting clays or trap.
Speaker C:Try it out.
Speaker C:It is a blast.
Speaker C:I mean I still like 3 gun sick, but man, getting out there with a shotgun and a golf cart, come on, it's a blast.
Speaker B:It, it, it's golf with guns.
Speaker B:And yeah, I literally showed pictures and explained that to one of our manufacturers over here over unders because over here, you know, it's all about hunting pheasants and quail and all that.
Speaker B:They don't get to go out and you know, shoot clays and pigeons and you know, stuff like we've got Iron Mountain back home in Kodak we're able to make.
Speaker B:I mean it's basically golf with guns.
Speaker B:That's all it boils down to.
Speaker B:But I was able to visit our over under manufacturing last, last week and I was speechless.
Speaker B:I was left speechless.
Speaker B:Basically what we went and found one of the highest end over under manufacturers and we told them what can you make us in this price range and what would that look like?
Speaker B:And, and they gave us, you know, they, we hit.
Speaker B:You know, Jeff Jackson, like Jared said, he really gave birth to this brand and you know he went and did all the legwork and these guys, I'm literally went in there, they're CNC machining out the parts and then they have a crew of people in there with hand files part by part that build on top of each other to make this stuff like watches.
Speaker B:And then the wood is being hand checkered.
Speaker B:I watched the lady hand checker it for like 15 minutes before I had to walk away, before I had a little tear crawling in my cheek.
Speaker A:Well, and that's amazing again that speaks out to your partners and who you pick to do these things.
Speaker A:And I mean think of if I were to not know what you just said.
Speaker A:And I look at the Spandau shotgun and I look at the pricing, I think, okay, well that, that checkering is, is laser done or the you know, the parts are, are fitted.
Speaker A:It's a very quality built shotgun.
Speaker A:But to have somebody hand fit and hand do this, that just speaks volume to the craftsmanship, the quality control that goes into that line of shotguns.
Speaker B:Yeah, the attention to detail is just ridiculous.
Speaker B:Like you said, I'm, I'm kind of newer to the side by side and over under for the skeet and trap.
Speaker B:Like Jared said.
Speaker B:That was Jared or that's Jeff's world out.
Speaker B:He introduced me to it maybe a year ago.
Speaker B:I, I grew up the last 15 years defensive shotgun training.
Speaker B:That was me.
Speaker B:Give me a pump.
Speaker B:I'll Run it all day long, you know, 10 to 15 yards from my front door.
Speaker B:That's, that's my world.
Speaker B:But I've grew up just, you know, throwing skeet in the backyard with the Mossberg 500.
Speaker B:But this is a whole new world.
Speaker B:The, the golf with guns.
Speaker B:I'm getting hooked quickly.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:The competitive side of it is phenomenal.
Speaker C:I'm going to, I feel like an idiot right now because I can't remember what state it was, but last weekend was like a high school championship.
Speaker C:There were 2,000 shooters on the line for a state champ.
Speaker C:Man, I, I wish I could remember the state.
Speaker C:I saw the article and I was like, 2,000 youth shooters at one place for one weekend is, it's, it's the future of shooting.
Speaker C:Like, I'll be completely honest, in the US Outdoor market, out competitive, you know, collegiate trap and ski.
Speaker C:It's, it's the future of, of firearms ownership in the, in the U.S. i, I've never been to a steel plate match, an IPSIC match, and seen that many kids in one spot.
Speaker C:The, the SCTP Nationals is a week long event for, for outdoor trap, ski and sporting clays.
Speaker C:So it's huge.
Speaker C:I'm excited about it.
Speaker C:The hunting shotguns that we're going to come out with.
Speaker C:Spandau, as a marketing guy, I get to go on a hunting trip this year.
Speaker C:Neil, my boss, if you're out there, Adam, you want to come?
Speaker C:John, you want to come?
Speaker C:Like, so I'm in that brand trip.
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker C:Yeah, we're taking Spando back outdoors, whether it's recreation, competition or even hunting.
Speaker C:So big things coming with that brand this year.
Speaker C:I'm excited for them.
Speaker C:And it's another product line.
Speaker C:I, it's, it's repetitive to say, but it's another win for us.
Speaker C:It's a market that's new for us.
Speaker C:So we're, we're excited to go hang out and bust some clays or maybe go on a dove hunt and see what people are doing outdoors this year.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I'm super excited for you guys.
Speaker A:And we were just talking to Pete Brownell before we hopped on with you guys, and he's talking about shotgun sports for youth and how it's taking off.
Speaker A:And that's a, that's an on ramp to the Second Amendment.
Speaker A:We always talk about the on ramp to the second Amendment for youth and for everybody.
Speaker A:And that is one of the ones on.
Speaker A:And that kind of ties into the net the next thing, because I kind of want to talk about Is your, your first off your price points.
Speaker A:But let's talk about the Tsauce line, specifically the PX9 which is in the PX9 carry that just came out.
Speaker A:You guys have a very competitive price point carry and full size gun.
Speaker A:Jared, what is it like to have a super competitive gun like that?
Speaker A:What's been the response from people?
Speaker C:I still think it's the most slept on gun in the polymer striker fire segment right now.
Speaker C:Does it use a proprietary magazine?
Speaker C:I harp on that one every day where it's like some brands, every time they introduce a new polymer gun they're like here's a new 19 round magazine.
Speaker C:And it's not anything new, it's just something to buy to charge you 50 bucks for.
Speaker C:So the PX9 started off with the P226 magazine.
Speaker C:It's been around for 20 plus years.
Speaker C:Metgar, Checkmate, Sabati.
Speaker C:Everyone makes a great mag for less than 30 bucks.
Speaker C:The PX9 carry uses the 228 magazine.
Speaker C:So just like the old days of Glock, you can use the full size 2 to 6 mags in the PX9 carry.
Speaker C:The most modular grip on the industry.
Speaker C:One of the first guns that co witnessed with the RMR without using half inch tall sights.
Speaker C:I am a, I, I'm disgusted by suppressor height sights on guns.
Speaker C:They don't need to be this tall.
Speaker C:I always make jokes about FFA clearance when people pull their guns and their sights are you know, 716 of an inch tall.
Speaker C:So engineered great.
Speaker C:The designers on that gun put way more into it than I think a lot of people see and feel when you shoot it.
Speaker C:It's a great shooting gun.
Speaker C:It's got one of the best triggers out of the box in the game and the price point is unbelievable.
Speaker C:And you know, yeah, I think we're leveraging, you know, some good, you know, currency exchange with turkey on that.
Speaker C:But regardless, when you look at the feature side of that gun, what you can do with it, how adaptable it is, all the features that we put into it from the factory, it blows a lot of people away.
Speaker C:And I think it was shot show there was like nine people from Glock that came down and they're picking that gun up and it's the first time I'd ever seen Glock Glock out of their own booth.
Speaker C:Like you could you, you could tell that you know, Gaston had passed away because they're all looking around like, and they even were like, man, you guys got so much right with this.
Speaker C:And you know, for even Me, and I'm still a gun nerd.
Speaker C:I like going to other people's booth.
Speaker C:And I think a lot of guns are still cool, but they were just like, man, everything about this is right.
Speaker C:Like, you guys didn't drop the ball on any part of it.
Speaker C:And the carry model, someone asked me about it today and they're like, oh, it's.
Speaker C:It's got to be less than 1 inch in 20, 24 width to be a.
Speaker C:A subcompact gun.
Speaker C:And it's like, man, it doesn't have to be.
Speaker C:Some people conceal guns differently or better.
Speaker C:Just look at the price point in the feature set and stack it up to, you know, he listed like five other guns.
Speaker C:And I'm like, you know, one of those guns people buy and they change out the grip module.
Speaker C:They buy an aftermarket slide from AIM Surplus.
Speaker C:So they're not even buying that gun.
Speaker C:They're just buying a serialized part that they can go put another 900 worth of parts into, and then it's bigger than what it started out as.
Speaker C:So I, I just, I just, I chuckle, you know, about that.
Speaker C:So, you know, I always say, they may not be for everyone, but the PX9 series is so slept on.
Speaker C:The more and more people shoot it, the more and more love it.
Speaker C:And I like carrying it.
Speaker C:It's one of the only guns I run with a red dot.
Speaker C:I'm not a red dot guy, but it's one of the few guns that I keep a red dot on and, And I love shooting that thing.
Speaker B:Everything's not for Everybody.
Speaker B:And the PX9, when we first, When I first got hired on, there was PX9 Gen1.
Speaker B:And I'm not gonna lie, everybody looked at that gun and was like, that's an ugly gun.
Speaker B:We can do better.
Speaker B:Shortly after that, Gaines Davis, our head engineer, he's been doing this.
Speaker B:You know, he's been with SDS maybe a couple months before I was.
Speaker B:And he literally lives over here six months out of the year.
Speaker B:So he's working with these manufacturers.
Speaker B:And pretty quick we came out with PX9 Gen 2.
Speaker B:We started selling that for about six months, and we were like, we can do better.
Speaker B:And that's what we did.
Speaker B:So that's where we're at now is the PX9 Gen 3.
Speaker B:Everybody in marketing and sales was like, no, no, no, no, you can't.
Speaker B:You can't switch from gen 2 to gen 3 that quick.
Speaker B:But we were like, yeah, we can do better.
Speaker B:So we stepped up.
Speaker B:We made it sexy.
Speaker B:We made it look Good.
Speaker B:We got the price point to where we wanted it.
Speaker B:We got all the features, all the add ons, the trigger upgrades, the side upgrades, everything that everybody was asking for.
Speaker B:We made it happen and that's where we're at now.
Speaker B:And we just keep adding to that line.
Speaker B:Everybody wanted a carry model, so we gave them a carry model.
Speaker B:They, they were asking for 5, 7, we got them 5, 7.
Speaker B:If you keep asking for 38 super, Jared's probably it's going to explode.
Speaker C:I would, I would want a millimeter before 38 super.
Speaker A:Well, that kind of leads into my next question.
Speaker A:You know, Jared, as the, as the digital marketer and your, your director of marketing, Neil, you guys have the, your product manager here who's constantly updating guns and making sure that they're perfect.
Speaker A:What's it like from your end, especially when people are asking for like 38 super 10 mil?
Speaker A:Let's see.
Speaker A:30 Super carry.
Speaker A:Let's go down the list.
Speaker A:What's it like from you guys who have to pivot super quickly to, to change the marketing to get things, the new, the new iterations marketed?
Speaker C:There's some of it that's really good and there are some products that come out and we're like, yes, that's cool.
Speaker C:We can work with that.
Speaker C:It's more adaptable.
Speaker C:There's more aftermarket parts for it that make it work, but we can't.
Speaker C:You know, Mitch Hedberg, old comedian, he's like, you can't please everyone all the time.
Speaker C:And last night all of them were at my show.
Speaker C:I think consumers, no matter what, you could do every product in every imaginable and we have like a billion SKUs and we would sell one of that sku to that one guy.
Speaker C: e like, make it in, you know,: Speaker C:And it's like.
Speaker C:Or support your local Cerakote guy.
Speaker C:And they can make it whatever you want.
Speaker C:We get it with optics cuts a lot right now.
Speaker C:And they're like, make, make every gun in every style of optics cut.
Speaker C:And it's like, or there you have a local gunsmith that is phenomenal with his bridge port.
Speaker C:He can make it whatever optic cut you want.
Speaker C:If we made all of those SKUs and every different variation, it would just add to the price, cost and then things like that.
Speaker C:So I, I fully understand it's impossible to do everything.
Speaker C:So some calibers, it would be cool, you know, Some of them I, I get.
Speaker C:Some of them I don't get with this 30 super carry.
Speaker C:Like, I don't get that one.
Speaker C:You know, they put a lot of marketing into it, but even for me, it's not cool.
Speaker C:And I'm like an obscure caliber guy.
Speaker C:I like my 300 blackout.
Speaker C:I was a 300 blackout guy long before it was as mainstream as.
Speaker C:But you know, when Adam and those guys make changes, for the most part they're always for the greater.
Speaker C:Like, hey, we're, we're, we're changing this thread pitch so it fits more aftermarket.
Speaker C:You know, from the consumer standpoint, we kind of grunt a little bit or we gotta be like, well, how do we explain this to the customer?
Speaker C:Sometimes we got to deal with the back end where we have old stock floating around and you know, but I think that's just the industry and anything you do, you can't, you can't keep the same product around for 30 years.
Speaker C:It's just not how it works.
Speaker C:Can't even keep the same product around for five years anymore.
Speaker C:You know, sometimes it doesn't work that way.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I get gray hairs about it.
Speaker C:You know, I think we had an email a couple days ago from our, our new CEO and he's like, hey, how come you guys don't bring this stuff up in meetings about like customers unhappy about like it being a number two Phillips head or instead of a jis?
Speaker C:And it's like, you don't want to hear that.
Speaker C:Like if I brought every complaint or every wish of every consumer to every meeting, it'd be like a six hour meeting.
Speaker C:But for the most part they've got some fun ones.
Speaker C:Yeah, but we do pretty good with it.
Speaker C:Some days it's hard when we send out a mark, you know, an ad campaign or we have a print ad in the next month, we're like, we're changing the SKU and it's like, but it's business, I guess.
Speaker C:Just know that it's for continual improvement, that we're not backpedaling on anything.
Speaker C:We're not doing it because we're making things worse.
Speaker C:We're not like, you know, we, we should just make this more difficult for consumers this week.
Speaker C:It's generally with something better or newer.
Speaker C:But from a marketing standpoint, some days you just, you just can't, you don't get to pick the battle.
Speaker C:You just, you just, you just put your helmet on and you run into it and hope for the best.
Speaker A:Oh, it's funny you say that.
Speaker A:So my favorite saying When I was at fax and we used to get people coming up to us and be like, oh, I need this in this obscure caliber.
Speaker A:Me and five of my friends will buy it.
Speaker A:Well, get 50 more and we'll.
Speaker A:We'll.
Speaker A:We'll talk about it.
Speaker A:But 50 is a little.
Speaker C:That's a little, you know, but I. I get it.
Speaker C:I get it.
Speaker C:If I think even back in the day, I would be like, you know, Brownells has a great selection of Reamer, you know, you know, but it is.
Speaker C:And I. I guess it's just me.
Speaker C:I think part of gun ownership is tinkering a bit.
Speaker C:So if you want it in an obscure color, man, take it to a seracot guy.
Speaker C:They do awesome stuff.
Speaker C:There's gunsmiths all over.
Speaker C:A guy down in Louisiana, we met at Maniacal Arms.
Speaker C:He's doing like five, seven bolt guns.
Speaker C:And I'm like, that's cool.
Speaker C:That's really cool.
Speaker C:So, yeah.
Speaker A:Well, speak.
Speaker B:Speaking of Seracote is Rest in peace Mike from Blown Deadline.
Speaker B:One of the best.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, you brought up 5 7px.
Speaker A:57 Came out at shot, and it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Now you've got the optics ready.
Speaker A:One getting ready to ship here soon.
Speaker A:Why 57?
Speaker A:I know it's got this resurgence in.
Speaker A:It's becoming popular.
Speaker A:What made you guys.
Speaker A:A lot of people were like, you know, what made you guys do five seven?
Speaker A:What brought the five.
Speaker A:Seven to the market?
Speaker A:And, you know, what was it like trying to import a 57 with all the import restrictions that are going on?
Speaker B:We needed a PX Extreme.
Speaker C:I think TSAS has sold that gun on the international market for a couple.
Speaker C:Couple of years ahead of us in the US So that was something that I guess maybe in certain countries that it's more popular or it was gaining popularity overseas for.
Speaker C:For, I don't know, whatever reason.
Speaker C:But in the US you're right there.
Speaker C:There is kind of that resurgence of it.
Speaker C:A lot of manufacturers started making new carbines and things like that.
Speaker C:I actually got to go down to Gun Talk Media and take part in the inaugural 5.7 fest.
Speaker C:And I learned a lot about the caliber and got to hang out with a lot of different manufacturers about it.
Speaker C:And, you know, from an ammo standpoint, there's more types and varieties.
Speaker C:Hornady has a new critical defense.
Speaker C:57 Round that was bonkers.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:We were running build drills with that on.
Speaker C:Out of all the ammo we get, it got picked.
Speaker C:We were just running bill drills with critical defense, but federals down there, they had spear.
Speaker C:So there's gold dot options.
Speaker C:I think it's just, we're just trying to find ways to give consumers more choices.
Speaker C:And you know, there's some of those things that just in the gun industry refuse to go away.
Speaker C:57 Is that, you know, with, with the resurgent in 5 7.
Speaker C:I think it's cool.
Speaker C:I think, you know, seeing it in a bolt gun, it'd be a nice, short, compact little varmint rifle that would be, you know, great groundhogs and things like that.
Speaker C:Yeah, write that down.
Speaker C:Write that down right now.
Speaker C:So, but you know, I, I, it's cool to see manufacturers just getting in, getting into places that aren't the comfort zone for a lot of places and taking something that maybe FN, you know, was super serious about like 10 years ago and just let it stagnate.
Speaker C:You know, those guns were cool and they came out.
Speaker C:But you know, I think we have the best trigger in the 57 platform.
Speaker C:We didn't change triggers like a lot of companies do.
Speaker C:We were like, the PX9 millimeter has a fantastic trigger.
Speaker C:Let's put in the 5 7.
Speaker C:And it worked out phenomenally.
Speaker C:I don't know, we'll see how it keeps going.
Speaker C:The gun industry kind of makes these weird laps sometimes where a couple years ago we were like, let's get polymer guns and make them as small and lightweight as we can.
Speaker C:And now I see like guns that typically have polymer frames, have metal frames and then M16A2 clones are all the rage again.
Speaker C:We spent 20 years chopping those guns down and getting rid of forged front sight posts.
Speaker C:And now there's like 20 foot billboards with that on there.
Speaker C:So I, I don't know.
Speaker C:Anderson loves us like, so I don't know.
Speaker C:Sometimes the gun industry does weird things and it's, it's fun to be a part of it, I guess.
Speaker C:I'm, I've been around long enough with, I'm on my second or third lap with some of these, these guns.
Speaker C:Key mod 20, 25.
Speaker A:Oh, why no, no, nobody wants, that's how, you know how key mod started.
Speaker A:It was literally somebody looking at a shelf thing that you, you build shelves and that's, that's how, oh, okay.
Speaker A:So that's how we're going to put on these series.
Speaker C:It'll happen.
Speaker C:Noveski.
Speaker C:They're gonna have a forged front sight base AR with KeyMod next year and.
Speaker B:Everybody will go nuts.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It's funny that you bring up retro with the, with the A2s and the the disease coming out.
Speaker A:And Kyle much or Adam messaged Kyle over at Anderson, who's a good friend of ours, but as an importer, I mean, retro's hot right now.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:Are you guys looking at anything retro that you can allude to or is it just like the, the Mac 5?
Speaker C:Man, we've been doing retro for years.
Speaker C: The Tsauce: Speaker B:Stamped with cmp.
Speaker C:Yeah, the, the Civilians program is selling that as companion to the expert grade M1 Garands.
Speaker C:You know, because what was surplus is now heirlooms.
Speaker C:You know, what we used to buy to beat on.
Speaker C:You know, no one would buy a, a Mosin Nagant these days and sporterize it because they're not 89 bucks anymore, they're like 500, which is nuts.
Speaker C:So the US army kind of like gave us a good roadmap or pathway for that.
Speaker C:You know, the Inglis L9A1 another step in that direction.
Speaker C:Just a way to take an old school gun and give people an affordable option that the, the soon to be released Mac 5.
Speaker C:Another one.
Speaker C:It's, it's.
Speaker C:There's those guns that you know us as, as guys and grow up watching action movies.
Speaker C:I just watch Predator like over the weekend and I was like, dang, MP5s are cool.
Speaker C:M 60s are cool.
Speaker C:So I think we've been doing it for a while.
Speaker C:We have things in the pipeline, but there's just certain guns that, you know, we keep tweaking and making better improvements on to make them closer to the originals.
Speaker C:And the U.S. army is the epiphany of that, I think in the industry, in the market.
Speaker C:We've done it for a long time.
Speaker C:We've done it really affordably.
Speaker C: The JSOC: Speaker C:Me being a global war on terror veteran.
Speaker C: The Mac: Speaker C:And you just had this crappy little pistol grip, Mossberg 500.
Speaker C:You're like, Ah, the army hates me, you know, so there are those cool guns out there.
Speaker C:And, and I think, you know, Adam's probably knows a little bit more about what's going on in the, the new product meetings.
Speaker C:I was the only person in our new product meeting this morning and I'm like, what's going on new.
Speaker C:No one tells me nothing.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, we, we were a little occupied at the moment.
Speaker B:Like you said, we've got the Mac Fives coming real soon and when.
Speaker B:I mean soon.
Speaker B:I was inspecting the first shipment today and again, that just goes back to the.
Speaker B:I was in the.
Speaker B:I was in the warehouse with no air condition and 90 degree weather here in Istanbul, Turkey, inspecting guns for about 8 to 9 hours and then another 9 to 10 hours tomorrow.
Speaker B:Fun times, right?
Speaker B:Like you said.
Speaker B:But I mean we're the older guys and we're the design and the guns and we're going to go back to what we love.
Speaker B:So he, Jared just mentioned Predator.
Speaker B:And if anybody knows me, they know I love Predator.
Speaker B:And let's just say I found some engineers at Turk that know what I'm talking about when I was talking about Predator.
Speaker B:So you may see some influences from stuff in some of our stuff, you know, so we're 80 action movie kids.
Speaker B:So that's what we're loving.
Speaker B:That's our passion.
Speaker B:And we're gonna bring what we love and bring it to everybody else because, you know, it's what we do.
Speaker B:We're gun guys.
Speaker B:We're gun guys working in the business for other gun guys.
Speaker A:Well, you brought up 80s action.
Speaker A:I'm gonna request like four things from you guys.
Speaker A:You can tell me yes or no later, but these are, these are my, my requests from, from the industry as a whole.
Speaker A:First off, I want to see a Bren 10 back.
Speaker A:I want to see Gen 3, Smith's back.
Speaker A:I want to see somebody come out with a dope tactical m1 grand or something like it or anything retro 80s cool.
Speaker A:That, that for some reason that's hot now.
Speaker A:I love it and I don't know why I love it.
Speaker A:But listen, if you guys can do a brand 10 just that you pull on so many heartstrings.
Speaker B:Think I'm joking?
Speaker C:Miracle workers.
Speaker C:He thinks we're miracle workers that we can just chew our hat and pull out.
Speaker B:I have met my fairy.
Speaker B:Listen, I met my fairy godmothers this past week.
Speaker B:So never doubt the Turkish ingenuity and determination to make something happen.
Speaker B:These guys mean business.
Speaker A:Jared, did you want to comment anything on the Brenton.
Speaker C:Man?
Speaker C:Like it'd be super cool, you know, I think 10, 10 millimeter.
Speaker C:Another one of those resurgent calibers.
Speaker C:That is, is cool.
Speaker C:I've been shooting our Yukon a lot.
Speaker C:Little sub, you know, four and a quarter inch.
Speaker C:So maybe, I don't know a clone of that would be, that'd be Pretty legit.
Speaker C:I think that would do it.
Speaker C:But it's up to Adam and the powers that be.
Speaker C:I just market it.
Speaker B:So every.
Speaker C:But I put it on the website.
Speaker C:I'll put it on the website with a coming soon tab.
Speaker B:Just There you go.
Speaker A:Every 80s, anybody who watch Miami Vice is like, oh yeah, that's a, that's a thing that we want back.
Speaker C:I mean Galco still sells the rigs, right?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:They still sell Beverly Hills Cop with the high power.
Speaker A:So there you go.
Speaker A:If you want to go ahead, let's talk about, you know, where to find SDS imports, where to get stuff from SDS imports, socials, all that other stuff and anything that new you want to talk about.
Speaker C:So as always, our, our, our information hub is always sdsimports.com we are on all the usual suspects for social media.
Speaker C:You know, we kind of navigate the, the murky waters like everyone else.
Speaker C:So you know, SDS imports on, on Facebook and Instagram are probably where most of the content goes.
Speaker C:We do have pages for Tsauce to Spandau Mac and Inglis.
Speaker C:We, we kind of just repost a lot of the stuff that goes to SDS on there YouTube as well.
Speaker C:We are a very socially active company so if you guys message us on Facebook or you're posting content, let us know.
Speaker C:We're, we're going to get in your, your comment section and mix it up.
Speaker C:I was sharing some of the goal stuff this week and we were going through the, the Goa to say hello, new products, Mac 5.
Speaker C:That's what's coming.
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