Episode 9
The Unfiltered HONEST Truth About the Firearms Community (ft. Whiskey & Windage)
State of the Second host John welcomes the crew behind Whiskey & Windage, the cigar-smoking, bourbon-drinking trio of Adam, Mike, and Matt Brass. The conversation opens with a Blackout Coffee rapid-fire round (time travel, aliens, firearms movies, what they're binge watching, and current EDCs) before settling into the real subject: what their show is and why they do it. Mike, the founder, explains the idea came from the way guys talk guns around a campfire, and the mission is to humanize an industry people assume is full of heartless companies. The group makes the case that even the big names are still family-owned American businesses, and that a lot of the manufacturing is shared across the industry like 'two A farmers' crop sharing parts. Mike even owns up to being the kind of guy who used to poor-shame budget guns before he learned how the supply chain actually works.
From there the episode turns to the media landscape and why podcasting is on the uptick as a place people go for unbiased news and real conversation, with a side complaint about America's gnat-sized attention span and the way pure stupidity goes viral while valuable content stalls. The crew agrees the election went the way they wanted but warns against letting the pendulum swing too far, and presses the point that voted-in politicians have to be held accountable to preserve the Constitution. The show's 'From the Soapbox' segment, brought to you by Patriot Mobile, is where it gets pointed. Mike argues America has a judicial system, not a justice system, and that anyone deemed fit to return to society should get their rights back, including the right to own a gun. Adam frames it as three options: termination, incarceration, or full citizenship with no felon label hanging over you. They apply the no-compromise logic to Hunter Biden, agreeing that if he's not in prison and not violent, he has the same right to protect himself as anyone.
The back half digs into veterans and rights. Adam, an active-duty Army drill sergeant and medic, calls the VA a failed system and explains why the fear of losing firearms keeps service members from seeking behavioral health care. Mike, speaking as a non-veteran, argues a VA card should be accepted at any hospital, the same care politicians and four-star generals get. The episode closes on the ATF, where Mike says the chant should shift from 'abolish' to 'reform,' and lays out a plan to move suppressors out of ATF control by building a uniform, OSHA-compliant hearing-safety standard the silencer industry could compete on. John thanks the guests and notes Palmetto State Armory and AAC sponsored gift packages for season two guests. Find Whiskey & Windage at whiskeyandwindage.com and across YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Spotify, and Apple.
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Questions this episode answers
Who is Whiskey & Windage and how did the three of them come together?
Whiskey & Windage is a firearms podcast hosted by a cigar-and-bourbon trio: Mike, founder and owner of a Nashville firearm shop; Adam, an active-duty Army drill sergeant and medic; and Matt Brass, a collector. It started October 1, 2023 on Tyler Hoover's Antihero channel, then went solo January 1, 2024.
What does Whiskey & Windage mean by humanizing the firearms industry?
The trio's mission is to push back on the assumption that the firearms industry is full of heartless companies by showing that even the big names are still family-owned American businesses. Founder Mike modeled the show on how guys talk guns around a campfire, putting real people behind the brands.
How much of the gun industry actually makes its own parts versus sharing manufacturing?
The crew argues a lot of manufacturing is shared across the industry, with companies crop-sharing parts the way farmers do rather than each making everything in-house. Mike admits he used to poor-shame budget guns before he understood how the supply chain actually works.
Why do the hosts believe podcasting is becoming where people go for news and unbiased stories?
They see podcasting on the uptick as a place for unbiased news and real conversation, in contrast to mainstream media. Their side complaint is America's short attention span and the way pure stupidity goes viral while valuable content stalls.
What is the difference between a judicial system and a justice system, and why does it matter for gun rights?
Mike argues America has a judicial system, not a justice system, and that anyone deemed fit to return to society should get their rights back, including the right to own a gun. Adam frames it as three options: termination, incarceration, or full citizenship with no felon label attached.
Should a non-violent felon or someone like Hunter Biden be allowed to own a firearm?
The crew applies its no-compromise logic to Hunter Biden, agreeing that if he is not in prison and not violent, he has the same right to protect himself as anyone else. Their broader position is that a non-violent person returned to society should have full rights restored.
Why does the fear of losing firearms keep service members from getting VA behavioral health care?
Adam, an active-duty Army drill sergeant and medic, says the fear of losing a basic constitutional right stops many service members from seeking behavioral health care, and he calls the VA a failed system. Mike argues a VA card should be accepted at any hospital for the same care politicians and four-star generals get.
How could suppressors be moved out of ATF control using an OSHA hearing-safety standard?
Mike says the chant should shift from abolish to reform the ATF, and proposes moving suppressors out of ATF control by building a uniform, OSHA-compliant hearing-safety standard the silencer industry could compete on.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Welcome and meet Whiskey & Windage
- 01:09 — Rapid fire with Blackout Coffee
- 07:51 — How the trio found each other
- 09:11 — Humanizing the firearms industry
- 11:57 — Poor-shaming and shared manufacturing
- 16:31 — Starting the show and the grind of podcasting
- 19:32 — Podcasting, media, and attention spans
- 24:44 — The election and holding politicians accountable
- 29:35 — From the Soapbox: justice vs judicial system
- 34:51 — No compromise on Hunter Biden's rights
- 37:00 — The VA, veterans, and firearm rights
- 38:38 — ATF: reform instead of abolish
- 46:47 — An OSHA standard for suppressors
- 50:20 — Sponsor thanks and where to find them
About the guest
Whiskey & Windage is a firearms podcast made up of three people. Mike is the founder of Whiskey & Windage and the owner of a firearm shop in Nashville, Tennessee. Adam is an active-duty Army drill sergeant and a medic. Matt Brass describes himself as a collector. The show started unofficially on October 1, 2023 as part of a daily-drop channel organized by Tyler Hoover of the Antihero podcast, then went out on its own on January 1, 2024. The crew says they put in around 40 hours a week on the back end of the show between the three of them.
Key quotes
"But our whole goal is to humanize this industry." — Mike
"A lot of folks in our, you know, in the 2A industry want to support, want to support American businesses." — Matt Brass
"We have a judicial system now. We do not have a justice system." — Mike
"It's preserve the Constitution." — Adam
"I think it inhibits a lot of service members from getting the help they need because of the fear of losing a basic constitutional right." — Adam
"I think our chant needs to change from abolish to reform." — Mike
Transcript
Welcome to Goa.
Speaker A:State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:My name is John.
Speaker A:Today we're joined by the cigar smoking, bourbon drinking, the men, the myth, the legends themselves, Whiskey and Windage.
Speaker A:We've got all three of them here, which is a task in itself.
Speaker A:Boys, how are you?
Speaker B:We're good, we're good.
Speaker B:Actually.
Speaker B:All that you just said, that's all Mike.
Speaker B:I think that all that whole category that's just that summarizes Mike in a hole.
Speaker C:I don't know how you did it.
Speaker C:I don't know how you got all of us.
Speaker C:It's like wrangling cats.
Speaker D:It is like regular cats.
Speaker B:More than one.
Speaker D:More than one day a week is not likely.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Thanks for having us on, dude.
Speaker C:How you doing?
Speaker A:So I've had you guys, I've been on your guys show.
Speaker A:It's time to reciprocate have you guys on the show.
Speaker A:So go ahead and tell the folks who you are.
Speaker B:So my name is Adam.
Speaker B:I am an active duty army drill sergeant and that's kind of like my, my, my pit, my piece of the pie of whiskey and witage.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I'm Mike.
Speaker C:I am the founder of Whiskey and Windage and I am the owner of OCA usa, a firearm shop in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker D:I'm Matt Brass.
Speaker D:I'm a collector and resident mouth breather.
Speaker A:You always need one of those, that's for sure.
Speaker D:Yep, I'm good at it.
Speaker C:We got a good one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, we're going to start off the show with our rapid fire questions that's brought to you by Blackout coffee.
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Speaker A:So guys, I'm going to ask you five questions.
Speaker A:You can answer them as quickly or as long as you want.
Speaker A:We're going to ask it across the board.
Speaker A:So first thing we're going to ask is if you could go back in time and change history, would you know?
Speaker C:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker D:I don't think so.
Speaker C:You've seen that one Back to the Future where like all of a sudden Biff gets super rich.
Speaker C:Like yeah, that's why I'd be afraid.
Speaker B:If I would be afraid I would alter something, then I would not like be here.
Speaker B:So I would be terrified of that.
Speaker C:Yeah, you can date your mom.
Speaker C:Like Marty,.
Speaker D:I, I've done some questionable things and was lucky to get through it.
Speaker D:I don't think I'd be who I am if I changed any of that.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker D:Nah, I'mma kick it.
Speaker A:Perfect.
Speaker A:All right, next one is a topic that I've asked a couple people.
Speaker A:Are aliens real?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't even know how to define a woman.
Speaker C:Evidently.
Speaker C:So how can I define an alien?
Speaker A:Next question is, if you could make one firearms movie more realistic, which one would it be?
Speaker B:Oh,.
Speaker C:I wouldn't.
Speaker D:My favorite firearms movies are pretty realistic.
Speaker D:So, like, give Me heat.
Speaker D:Like Terminator 2.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, because that's realistic.
Speaker D:I mean, they were real.
Speaker D:They were real guns.
Speaker D:It was real fire.
Speaker D:I mean, somebody actually jumped a semi truck off of a bridge into the LA river to make that movie.
Speaker D:That's not.
Speaker C:Yeah, like, that's not computers.
Speaker D:That's real.
Speaker C:Like, you don't want to mess with John Wick.
Speaker C:You mess with John Wick, like, all of a sudden, it's not a good movie.
Speaker D:It's not believable.
Speaker C:You mess with Die Hard, like, it's not as good a movie.
Speaker C:Like, no, I wouldn't mess with any other John Wick.
Speaker B:Got it wrong.
Speaker B:One spot, the suppressor scene in the subway was, like, so not believable.
Speaker B:Especially with, like, putting them back in their pocket after they're shooting them.
Speaker B:So I guess.
Speaker B:I guess that wasn't that.
Speaker B:Make that more.
Speaker B:Make suppressors more realistic in movies.
Speaker B:How they really are not what the Hollywood makes them to be.
Speaker D:Reloads in every one of them could use some work.
Speaker A:You know what movie everybody said that is?
Speaker A:Rambo.
Speaker A:First Blood.
Speaker B:Hip firing machine guns.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker C:I mean, I've seen a couple people do it.
Speaker D:You need a gun of Rambo.
Speaker C:Yeah, why not?
Speaker B:Let's do it.
Speaker A:All right, next question I've got for you guys is, what are you binge watching right now?
Speaker D:The Penguin.
Speaker D:I just got done with that.
Speaker B:Oh, I'm binge watching.
Speaker B:Honestly, I went back and started watching House again because I'm a nerd when it comes to medicine.
Speaker B:I'm a medic.
Speaker B:So I've been watching House.
Speaker D:I hope you don't take any of your information from that show, Adam.
Speaker C:No, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm binge watching podcasts.
Speaker C:That's all I do is I listen to podcasts and watch video podcasts.
Speaker C:Right now I'm catching up on a whole bunch of old Joe Rogan.
Speaker A:Oh, that's.
Speaker A:That's interesting.
Speaker D:Yeah, I have been.
Speaker D:Been watching Joe Rogan lately.
Speaker A:I've done.
Speaker A:Lately, it's been the Lioness, which is.
Speaker A:Which is really good.
Speaker A:And then Tulsa King.
Speaker B:Tulsa King's.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker C:I watched the first season and say, fun fact.
Speaker C:I've never seen an episode, not one episode of any of these.
Speaker C:Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker C:Peaky blinders.
Speaker C:What are some other hot ones that I've never seen?
Speaker C:Like, all of them.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker D:What was this?
Speaker B:Yellowstone?
Speaker C:Tiger King?
Speaker C:Yellowstone.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker C:I don't watch any of them.
Speaker D:I haven't seen Yellowstone or Breaking Bad.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:That's crazy.
Speaker B:Yellowstone.
Speaker D:Game of Thrones.
Speaker A:Never seen an episode of Game Yellowstone and Breaking Bad.
Speaker D:Never watched the Zombie.
Speaker D:Whatever the zombie one was.
Speaker A:Yellowstone and Breaking Bad are two of the best.
Speaker C:Yeah, I've heard if I start, I won't, you know, I'll get sucked in.
Speaker C:So at this point, I'm so far behind, I don't want to watch it just because I don't have the time that I know it's just gonna make me a, you know, a useless sack of nothing on the couch.
Speaker A:Yeah, but that's.
Speaker A:Sometimes you need that.
Speaker A:Sometimes you need to be a useless sack.
Speaker D:I don't need it.
Speaker D:I don't need any extra help with it, though.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, you gotta at least watch Breaking Bad.
Speaker A:Breaking Bad's so good.
Speaker D:I. I also have moral conundrum about watching something commercially that almost glorifies the production of methamphetamine.
Speaker A:Like, okay, okay, I can get with that.
Speaker D:I don't know.
Speaker C:That goes back to that first question where, like, I could be a millionaire.
Speaker C:Like, I don't care if it's through betting meth.
Speaker C:Like, you know, whatever.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:A million dollars is a million dollars.
Speaker A:Million bucks is million, Adam.
Speaker A:You would say that.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:So the last question I've got for you guys is, what is your current edc?
Speaker B:Oh, that's easy.
Speaker B:Actually, it's right there.
Speaker B:It's my Frankenstein.
Speaker B:Glock 19 x Glock 19 everything.
Speaker B:That's not an original Glock.
Speaker B:Besides the frame.
Speaker D:Can we touch them?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This is recorded.
Speaker A:It's not live.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker D:My.
Speaker D:My P365 got M Carbo threaded barrel and comp.
Speaker D:Put it on a macro length lower little Romeo zero up top.
Speaker D:That's right.
Speaker D:Gary.
Speaker C:Mine's a P320.
Speaker C:But now that I'm thinking about it, I don't even know what part of it is actually a P320.
Speaker C:The grips Icarus fire control group.
Speaker C:Nope, nope.
Speaker C:It's Zev.
Speaker C:The fire control group is Zev.
Speaker C:The the frame it was built.
Speaker C:The slide and the barrel are nor.
Speaker C:So I mean, it's It's a Frankenstein of nothing Sig, but it's a Sig.
Speaker A:See, I love doing that.
Speaker A:Like, I. I posted a picture of my M and P build that I built up with a fax and barrel slide, a apex trigger, and somebody's like, that's not even an MMP anymore.
Speaker A:It's just a shell.
Speaker A:I'm like, no, it's MP still.
Speaker A:It's still an mmp.
Speaker B:It's just better.
Speaker A:Better what?
Speaker C:The roll mark says, this is better.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:So that is our rapid fire question segment again.
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Speaker A:So let's go jump into this.
Speaker A:Who is Whiskey and Whis?
Speaker A:Windage.
Speaker A:What is Whiskey and Windage?
Speaker A:How did you all get together?
Speaker A:Let's just get into it.
Speaker C:No, I've said this story so many times.
Speaker C:Adam, you take this one.
Speaker B:So this is.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:Mike's the founder of Whiskey and Winage.
Speaker B:He had this idea a while ago about, you know, when you go camping, a bunch of guys, you're hanging out, just a bunch of dudes talking about guns, having a good time, BSing.
Speaker B:Why not have a podcast like that, having just a people come on, talk about guns, have a good time and be personable.
Speaker B:Not trying to sell this, sell this, be someone.
Speaker B:We're not just BSing.
Speaker B:And, you know, we all found each other through an Instagram group chat.
Speaker B:We are on through creators.
Speaker B:And it was not Grindr.
Speaker B:You found me.
Speaker B:It was Feed Finder.
Speaker B:No, we found.
Speaker B:We found each other.
Speaker B:That Mike found myself and he found Matt and kind of wanted to have a group of guys that were like, minded in the 2A, but also had their different views and different perspectives at the 2A.
Speaker B:And that's kind of how it all came about.
Speaker B:We started doing some Instagram lives, which were horrible.
Speaker B:Then we started doing some podcasting, which the first 16 episodes were horrible.
Speaker B:Not horrible.
Speaker B:Yeah, they were horrible.
Speaker B:And before you knew it, we started having some people on and some real conversations, and it's kind of turned into what it is now.
Speaker C:It's kind of like talking about your last episode with Tundra Tactical Hate to date that, because it's going to tell when we were on.
Speaker C:But our whole goal is to humanize this industry.
Speaker C:Everything that we do is.
Speaker C:I mean, it's.
Speaker C:It's to combat the fact that firearms are not a weight thing, but it's a heavy subject.
Speaker C:It's heavy whether it's the soldiers carrying Them, whether you're using them for protection, whether someone's using them against you, whatever it is.
Speaker C:Firearms is a heavy subject.
Speaker C:So we want to bring light to that, humanize the fact, and do that through, you know, just relaxed atmosphere and a little comedy.
Speaker C:We're not trying to be out there being funny.
Speaker C:There's too many people that are good at that.
Speaker C:We're not trying to be that.
Speaker C:And we're not trying to be the, you know, people that shove the law down your throat because we're not smart enough for that.
Speaker C:That's what you guys do.
Speaker C:So we're kind of in the middle.
Speaker C:We're the average Joe's, I guess you could say.
Speaker C:And we just want to, you know, really bring home the fact that, hey, this is so.
Speaker C:And so he owns this company that you might not ever have a chance to talk to.
Speaker C:And here's what he thinks and here's why you should support his product.
Speaker D:And I think that's kind of become almost our specialty is like, there is, there is usually a lot of these businesses as even the big ones are still a family owned business.
Speaker D:Like someone from the family that started that here in America is still the CEO or still the owner of, of that company.
Speaker D:And I think it's, it's, it's something that I think a lot of these companies overlook is that I, I think that should be a focus of a lot of their advertising is like, hey, we're still here, we're still people.
Speaker D:This is a family owned business.
Speaker D:A lot of folks in our, you know, in the 2A industry want to support, want to support American businesses.
Speaker A:So, yeah, and that's, that's a big thing that we work real hard on on this podcast as well, is humanizing the industry.
Speaker A:People look at the gun industry as a whole and they're like, this is a huge industry and it's full of heartless people.
Speaker A:But we are like a family.
Speaker A:That's the best way to put it.
Speaker A:We're like a family.
Speaker A:There is some, some infighting sometimes, but we all love each other at the end of the day and we smack talk each other and talk what we were talking before the show, before this episode we recorded with Dave from High Point.
Speaker A:And I got a little smack talk going back and forth between you guys.
Speaker A:And this is, this is what it's all about.
Speaker A:We, we love talking about it and we talk smack and we have fun.
Speaker A:But at the end of the day, we encourage more people to hop in on this and, and just enjoy the two A man.
Speaker C:I'll I'll call myself out.
Speaker C:I'll.
Speaker C:I'll be the first to call myself out on that.
Speaker C:I was one of the guys a year and a half ago.
Speaker C:I won't even say before we started this podcast, a year and a half ago, I was the guy that would poor shame somebody who rocked a poverty pony.
Speaker C:I'm that guy.
Speaker C:I'm going to tell you that it was my, it was my outlook.
Speaker C:It was what I thought, how could something so cheap, you know, be effective?
Speaker C:Is it my go to, Is it this?
Speaker C:Is it that like every answer across the board was no?
Speaker C:Then you talk to the guys over at Anderson.
Speaker C:You talk to Kyle, you talk to Jennifer, you talk to J Star, you talk to these guys and you're like, well, wait a minute.
Speaker C:You know, not giving away their secret sauce.
Speaker C:Like, eh, they make a whole lot of stuff for a whole lot of the industry.
Speaker C:And if you kind of look at it, it's, we're kind of like two way farmers.
Speaker C:A lot of this stuff in the manufacturing industry is crop shared.
Speaker C:Hey, you make this, you make that, you make this everything.
Speaker C:It's unlabeled and we want to buy that from you.
Speaker C:You buy this from us, and here we go.
Speaker C:I'm not saying it's all like that, but before you start throwing those stones, I mean, if you just do your own research, you'll realize, like, you better.
Speaker D:Look around at those walls, make sure they're throwing in.
Speaker C:Like there's a lot of people that are, that are.
Speaker C:They're helping each other out.
Speaker A:Coming from a manufacturing background, I saw the secret sauce.
Speaker A:I saw behind the curtain.
Speaker A:And once you see behind the curtain, it's like you can pick out who does what real easily.
Speaker A:And people start looking at you funny and you're like, no, that's so and so's stuff.
Speaker A:And they're like, no, it's not, it's them.
Speaker A:I'm like, no, that.
Speaker A:So and so made that and so and so made that.
Speaker A:No, you're full of it.
Speaker A:No, no, it's, it's those.
Speaker A:That's what happens.
Speaker A:Nobody wants to believe me.
Speaker A:And then you look at like companies and when, when we start talking to them on our podcast, I bring it up.
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, so who makes their own stuff?
Speaker A:And they're like, well, 70% of us don't make our own stuff.
Speaker A:Or we make this part, we buy this off the shelf.
Speaker A:Palmetto is a great example of it.
Speaker A:They're very open about what they make and what they don't make.
Speaker C:Oh, I was going to say Paul Meadow had their own show and they had KAC on and they were talking about all of the little parts and everything like that.
Speaker C:I don't want to misspeak on what they do and don't make, but it was pretty much like all the little bitty parts and all, you know, gas tubes and you know, buffer tubes and buffers and all that.
Speaker C:Like they, they went out and they were like, yeah, we get it from them, it's a lot easier for us to get.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:And that's the.
Speaker C:I would hate to have the detent job.
Speaker C:I would hate to be the guy that was responsible to make the detents.
Speaker D:You want to talk quality assurance on it.
Speaker C:Boring quality assurance thing.
Speaker A:To make sure.
Speaker D:They're coming out right.
Speaker D:You're just like, I would, I would not do good at that job.
Speaker A:So as a person who had to assemble a lot of ars when working for a manufacturer because we just didn't have enough people to assemble them, the detent job of putting the detents in, I, I don't wish that voodoo hate on anybody.
Speaker A:There may still be like seven or eight of them floating around somewhere in the atmosphere, but.
Speaker B:Oh for sure.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then imagine making them like holy cow.
Speaker C:Like I gotta make sure they're all the same size and the same diameter and like.
Speaker D:Nah.
Speaker B:After I lost my second detect.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:After I lost my second detent I went out and bought a bag full of them and I keep in my drawer.
Speaker B:Cuz I'm.
Speaker B:I'm to the point now in my life, if one goes flying, we don't think it grab another one.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker D:They like to say there's a, there's a whole lower parts kit under an AR builder's bench.
Speaker D:It's probably true.
Speaker D:We're not, I'm not even an AR guy and I've probably built, I don't know, 40 lowers and they're dangerous.
Speaker D:So like Adam, I got a little bag of, I think I ordered them like 20 or 30 of them in a little bag when I'm never have to worry about it.
Speaker A:When I moved my house, I was cleaning up my, my build office which had all my building station everything.
Speaker A:I moved the desk and I found so many springs and roll pins and things that I look for.
Speaker A:I'm like, wow, that's where they all went to.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:My first mistake was when I first started doing tinkering on these myself.
Speaker C:I was doing it in the house and I was doing it in a carpeted living room.
Speaker C:It wasn't a Big deal.
Speaker C:Like, I didn't care.
Speaker C:Like, I didn't step on anything.
Speaker C:But man, the vacuum cleaners that you can mess up, finding lots of metal parts, you're like, oh, there that was.
Speaker C:Oh, there that was.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So you guys started this, what, a year, year and a half year ago?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker C:Unofficially, I want to shout out one guy.
Speaker C:Unofficially.
Speaker C: st of: Speaker C:It's the best way to say it.
Speaker C:We were minor league baseball.
Speaker C:One of our friends, Tyler Hoover, who runs the Antihero podcast, actually was looking to try to start a channel that had a podcast drop every day.
Speaker C:And there was five of us.
Speaker C:He selected five different podcasts, and we all picked our day, and it was our responsibility to drop something.
Speaker C:He was trying to.
Speaker C:I don't know if he was trying to do a media company or not, but he was.
Speaker C:That was what was happening.
Speaker C:And we started in October.
Speaker C:We realized in November really quick that some people weren't quite in it as we were.
Speaker C:And you know firsthand, whether you record in batches or you record every week, doing a podcast is taxing.
Speaker C:It is hard work.
Speaker C:It is only because it's monotonous and you have to be committed.
Speaker C:I think the stat right now is if you want to be in the top 20% of podcasts, what was it like?
Speaker C:Release one podcast.
Speaker B:One top 1%.
Speaker C:Top 1%.
Speaker C:You got to release a podcast every week for a year.
Speaker C:That puts you in the top 1%.
Speaker C:Like, are you kidding me?
Speaker C:Like, yeah, thanks, mom.
Speaker C:We did it.
Speaker D:We made it.
Speaker C:Seriously, it's.
Speaker C:It's taxing.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's tough to get up there and get excited about it unless it's your passion.
Speaker C:And he did that.
Speaker C:We realized it wasn't Good.
Speaker C: ,: Speaker C:Spread our wings.
Speaker C:So we're in this a year.
Speaker A:Yeah, for people.
Speaker A:People think.
Speaker A:And I've talked to people about being on the podcast.
Speaker A:They're like, yeah, podcasting's got to be easy.
Speaker A:You just sit there and talk.
Speaker A:Well, when you talk for two to three hours with maybe four to five different guests, and then you get somebody who doesn't have energy, and they're just kind of like, yeah, like, you'll ask a question, like, so what do you.
Speaker A:What do you do for work?
Speaker A:I make shrimp and trip accessories, and it just, like, it just dies.
Speaker A:There it is.
Speaker A:It's task.
Speaker A:It really takes a toll on your body and your voice.
Speaker A:And people are like, well, all you do is talk for a living.
Speaker A:I'm like, yeah, you try to talk for four or five hours straight and keep coming up with ideas and keep them fresh.
Speaker A:But I do encourage people to at least attempt it.
Speaker A:It's fun.
Speaker A:It's a, it's a who.
Speaker A:Especially with all the people you get to meet.
Speaker C:Well, honestly, I was gonna go ahead.
Speaker C:Adam.
Speaker B:No, it's lots of fun.
Speaker B:But also, John, the whole other spot is after the podcast is done.
Speaker B:People don't realize the editing, the creating of reels, the uploading to all the different platforms.
Speaker B:Like I think between the three of us, we put in 40 hours a week.
Speaker B:Easy, easy.
Speaker B:40 Hours with the three of us just on the back side of the podcast.
Speaker B:So that's another part of the labor of love that people don't see and.
Speaker C:Something you'll be excited about.
Speaker C:John and I know that we're all excited about it, man.
Speaker C:A couple weeks ago we found out that the, the media as we know it, the landscape's changing and you're not getting, as we all know and everyone has their opinion and you, you have the right to your opinion.
Speaker C:Who knows if the news we're getting on the TV is accurate.
Speaker C:You can have your opinions.
Speaker C:Yes, it is.
Speaker C:No, it's not.
Speaker C:Depending on the station and I mean it's all biased.
Speaker C:But podcasting, as we saw, I, I personally think it had a hand in changing and swinging the election.
Speaker C:Oh, and it's, it's your opinion.
Speaker C:And with you and I hate that Kaylee's gone, but right now, but hope she's doing well.
Speaker C:But with you and Kaylee, you guys and Goa get to bring the news that you want to provide and you're bringing it unbiased and you're bringing the guys on and you're telling the story that needs to be told.
Speaker C:We do the same thing.
Speaker C: s and video podcasts, oh, how: Speaker C:And yeah, they're kind of right to a point.
Speaker C:That's when it kind of peaked.
Speaker C:But I think it's on the uptick again because it's where people are going to get their stories, it's where people are going to get their news.
Speaker C:It's where people are going to find like minded individuals.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:No, it's.
Speaker A:Well, you're absolutely right.
Speaker A:I mean we seen an uptick just with this show, but I've talked to people who've been doing it for Sean Heron from We like shooting has been doing it for 10 plus years.
Speaker A:And God bless him for it, because he has been consistently doing it for 10 plus years.
Speaker A:But just talking to all the guys who do podcasts, it's a way, you know, we could all turn on a camera and do YouTube.
Speaker A:That's, that's.
Speaker A:It's not hard.
Speaker A:It's not hard to make a, an UNEDITED video on YouTube.
Speaker A:But to do a podcast and be able to sit there and have conversations and get the truth out and get people's backstories and let people open up is a lot different than if I were to walk up to you guys at event like goals and go, hey, tell me your story in two minutes.
Speaker A:Go, yeah, now I get to be personable.
Speaker D:It gives you a lot.
Speaker D:Yeah, it gives you a lot more, a lot more space to work in.
Speaker D:Really get down and get to sit down and, and talk with somebody.
Speaker C:It's funny you say that because Adam, Matt, and myself have all had these conversations and I won't tell the channel that's out there, but to prove a point about how hard it was to grow, I actually created a YouTube channel that the point of it was to just grow.
Speaker C:And it's so funny that we can come out there and bring unbiased information and put it out there and it's good content, valuable content.
Speaker C:It's valuable content and it hits about right here.
Speaker C:But if it's a meme, if it's just pure stupidness, pure satire, pure stupidity.
Speaker C:I mean, and it doesn't have to be gun content, just stupidity.
Speaker C:It just goes viral and it's like, is this, Is this what the mind of America is now?
Speaker C:Like, hey, I'm all about, like, give me the dirty joke, give me the bad joke.
Speaker C:I'll take it, and I'm gonna laugh and probably give you one.
Speaker C:It's worse, right?
Speaker C:But like, is that what this is?
Speaker C:Is that what we've really came to?
Speaker C:Like, you know, let's be a.
Speaker C:We need to be joking, we need to have fun.
Speaker C:But like, man, like, we have the, the attention span of like a gnat.
Speaker A:Yeah, I caught myself doing that the other day.
Speaker A:The attention span thing.
Speaker A:You, you're.
Speaker A:I was watching a YouTube video, my brain just could not focus on it, and I was back scrolling on something else, looking at memes, and I'm like, wait a minute, why am I doing this?
Speaker A:It's, it's.
Speaker A:It's one of those things where our intentions, man, has got gone so short that it's like, okay, cool, like, I need 30 seconds.
Speaker A:But then when you actually listen to a podcast.
Speaker A:You're, you're focusing.
Speaker A:And I find for me, podcasts, normally I listen to them in the car.
Speaker A:I've got, I've got an hour or two to kill.
Speaker A:I'll listen to a couple podcasts and, and listen, actually listen in and hear it.
Speaker A:But it's one of those things where the unbiased part of podcast is you can go in and you can have fun and still tell a story and still enjoy yourself, and then you don't have to worry about being censored because it's pretty free on the podcasting right now.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:And what the best part is, is you're automatically self filtering.
Speaker C:You're finding people who think like you.
Speaker C:You know, if, if you come out there and you just talk in general terms and you talk about, hey, I like puppies.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, everybody for the most part likes puppies.
Speaker C:Even if you're not a dog person, like, you like puppies.
Speaker D:Kind of hard to hate a puppy.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So that's easy.
Speaker C:But I like this specific puppy and raise it to be this.
Speaker C:You're, you're, your audience shrinks.
Speaker C:And it's kind of like us with the guns.
Speaker C:Like, hey, man, like, we like guns.
Speaker C:And it's, it's, it's such a polarizing, such a polarizing topic that you're either with it or you're not.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, and I want to see more people.
Speaker A:I mean, we, we saw 20, 30, 40 million, depending on who you talk to, new gunners come in.
Speaker A:And we're seeing them start to change the atmosphere, the gun, the, the election this year or the election last year.
Speaker A:Seeing that where we are was very polarizing around guns.
Speaker A:We saw both candidates kind of go, okay, well this is what we're going to do.
Speaker A:I'm going to go this.
Speaker A:And we saw some law changes.
Speaker A:We saw some stuff in Colorado, we saw some stuff in Memphis that we, we've sued on.
Speaker A:And we see things in Washington state and things like that going on where these things now.
Speaker A:And I'm a go a little early on our soapbox because we'll go into that here soon.
Speaker A:But now is the time to put the flame to the butt of these politicians and get them.
Speaker A:I mean, we voted them in.
Speaker A:We got a year.
Speaker A:That's, that's, in all honesty, we have a year to make changes.
Speaker A:And people were like, well, there's two years.
Speaker A:And you know, midterms are in two years.
Speaker A:You've got a year.
Speaker A:Because after that they're going to start going out and Going, doing their thing and campaigning, which is scary to think that we only have a year.
Speaker A:But now's the time to start calling these guys and put the.
Speaker A:The flame to their tucus and get them to move.
Speaker A:And I said, that's the only way.
Speaker A:100.
Speaker B:No, it has to.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:That's one thing I said right away.
Speaker B:Great.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:I think we're all here can agree we're happy how the election went.
Speaker B:We're happy how a lot of the votes went for the House and the Senate.
Speaker B:But let.
Speaker B:What are we going to do with it?
Speaker B:We still have to hold these people accountable that we voted in and we need to push, to have them push legislation.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That for me, is all about just protecting the Constitution.
Speaker B:Like, at the end of the day, it's not about making new laws.
Speaker B:It's not about.
Speaker B:It's preserve the Constitution.
Speaker C:Dude, I'm with you and I'm happy the way the election went.
Speaker C:But I say that with a caveat, because what I don't want to happen is what just happened four years ago.
Speaker C:You literally look at it, and we have started this pendulum swing.
Speaker C:And the pendulum swing so far blue that, I mean, I don't know how else to say it other than they got wild and it hurt a lot of people.
Speaker C:And some people think it's great.
Speaker C:And you know what?
Speaker C:You have the right to your opinion.
Speaker C:You do you.
Speaker C:I'm not going to judge that.
Speaker C:Whatever.
Speaker C:But now this pendulum is going to start swinging back.
Speaker C:And I don't know, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm torn because I want to uphold the Constitution.
Speaker C:I want to, you know, I want to change a lot of things that are going on in D.C. but at the same time, I don't want to start this thing where it's for the worst years of a Democrat's life for the best years of a Democrat's life for the worst.
Speaker C:If we just keep doing that and dunking on each other like that is going to kill our country.
Speaker C:I hope with everything that, A, we do what's right, B, we uphold the Constitution, and C, we think about every American person.
Speaker C:Unfortunately, we have to be unbiased as gun owners.
Speaker C:There's Democrats that like to shoot guns.
Speaker C:There's Democrats that want to take guns.
Speaker C:There's Republicans that love guns.
Speaker C:There's Republicans that want to take guns.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:It's kind of in the middle, and we just have to be, I don't know, just religion, man.
Speaker C:Treat.
Speaker C:Treat others as you want to be treated.
Speaker C:I guess that's the best way to put it.
Speaker D:No, I'm a tie in.
Speaker D:Thanks, John.
Speaker D:I said I'm a tie.
Speaker D:Tie in both of them.
Speaker D:Because like Adam said, we got to hold everybody accountable.
Speaker D:But like, what Mike, it.
Speaker D:Part of what Mike is saying is like the, the saying goes that guns have two enemies, rust and politicians.
Speaker D:It doesn't name what side.
Speaker D:Rust and politicians.
Speaker D:I'm pretty excited to see what, what the, you know, the, the, the, the current administration is going to pull off.
Speaker D:So far it seems like a lot of the choices are good choices and he knows that, you know, in, in his first run, like he made a couple of mistakes as far as the second amendment goes, but he was willing to admit, like, hey, I'm, I'm ignorant.
Speaker D:I didn't know.
Speaker D:And the message that he delivered at the goal summit of like, I'm going to trust GOA to help guide me in any kind of decisions that, that I make personally.
Speaker D:Like that, that shows that there's been a lot of growth there.
Speaker D:And so I'm, I'm pretty stoked.
Speaker D:I'm pretty stoked.
Speaker A:I couldn't, I couldn't be more stoked.
Speaker A:I think again, we've got two bills in the house just regarding suppressors.
Speaker A:Now's the time to actually push.
Speaker A:And on that note, speaking of which, we're going to go to our from the soapbox segment of the show where we talk about policy, our biggest frustrations, our gripes with the ATF politicians, all the above.
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Speaker A:So guys, it's time to get on your soapboxes.
Speaker A:So let's see, what do you guys want to get in your soapboxes about?
Speaker B:Mike.
Speaker B:Mike.
Speaker B:This is because we always joke about Mike being on his soapbox.
Speaker B:This is very fitting.
Speaker B:Yeah, Mike, the show.
Speaker B:Yeah, go Mike.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker D:He's drinking it, man.
Speaker C:I'm already drinking, so.
Speaker C:All right, so let me take a sip.
Speaker C:Here's my soapbox.
Speaker C:We have, and I would love to debate people on this.
Speaker C:We have a judicial system now.
Speaker C:We do not have a justice system.
Speaker C:And I think if we could streamline the justice system versus judicial system and actually fix the issues, I Think it would clean up and self police about a lot of other things.
Speaker C:We all agree that if you do a crime, there's a punishment that's easy.
Speaker C:But I have a big issue with the prisoner reform.
Speaker C:If, in my opinion, if you're deemed suitable to go back into society,.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker C:Believe you get your rights.
Speaker C:I believe you should vote, I believe you should own a gun.
Speaker C:I believe you should be just like every other citizen.
Speaker C:Now we hit that gray area because there are violent criminals and nonviolent criminals that are being released back into society and they're not quote unquote fit to be in society, in my opinion, or basically based off of their, you know, the justice system.
Speaker C:But we let them back out.
Speaker C:And that's where that gray area gets wider and wider and wider.
Speaker C:I mean, why not just, hey, if you're convicted of a violent crime, you do the time if you are fit to be released back into society.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:And everyone hates the term red flag.
Speaker C:Like give them a 30 day red flag.
Speaker C:Like, all right, let's just make sure you don't do dumb stuff in the first 30 days.
Speaker C:Being back in society after those 30 days, cool.
Speaker C:You can vote, you can buy a gun, do whatever you want.
Speaker C:You deserve the right to protect yourself just like the next guy.
Speaker C:And if it's a non violent crime and you're getting house arrest or probation like it's non violent, what does owning a gun have to do with it?
Speaker C:You can buy a, a knife, a bat, a hammer, you know, a car, whatever.
Speaker C:So that's my soapbox is we have a judicial system and not a justice system.
Speaker A:Well said.
Speaker D:Preach at it, man.
Speaker B:Go.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker C:Adam, what's your thought?
Speaker C:Because you had something to caveat off this and to catapult it too.
Speaker B:I do.
Speaker B:So like, I'm a firm belief in that.
Speaker B:I'm a firm believer that if you are deemed to be a felon and if we're going to call you a felon, then you should be in prison,.
Speaker C:You should be in jail.
Speaker B:But give putting people out in society, calling them a felon, not allowing them to get a job because people, a lot of places don't hire felons.
Speaker B:Not allowing them to protect themselves, not allowing them to have the rights.
Speaker B:That's bs.
Speaker B:Either you are in jail, Discrimination or termination.
Speaker B:There's three options.
Speaker B:You are a citizen.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Or termination.
Speaker B:No, I meant term.
Speaker B:There's three options in my opinion.
Speaker B:Either there's termination because you're that heinous, There is incarceration or you're a free person in this society and if you are a free person to be in society, then you, you, like Mike said, you deserve all the rights and you're not a felon.
Speaker B:You should be able to get any job you want.
Speaker B:You shouldn't have them have that hold over you.
Speaker B:If you did a crime, you did a punishment that's not heinous.
Speaker B:You, because those in my opinion should just be offed and everything else.
Speaker B:You're in jail.
Speaker B:Once you're out of jail, then you should be allowed and shouldn't have a biased against you at that point.
Speaker D:I'm not going to soapbox on, on the subject, but I'm a pretty firm supporter in that especially like I don't.
Speaker D:A really good friend of mine since I was a little kid in school, like went through school together, grew up together, still pretty close friends.
Speaker D:But when he was 17, he stole some copper from where he worked and, and sold it and it was, it was a felony.
Speaker D:And for his entire life he could not legally own firearms.
Speaker D:Again, he's in the process of getting that restored and I think it is going to go well for him, but it's really expensive.
Speaker D:It's really long, drawn out process for some 17 year old kid that stole some copper, you know, 20 years ago.
Speaker D:And I, it's, it's sad, but I am a supporter.
Speaker D:Like if, if you're not, if you're not safe enough to, to own a firearm, you're not safe enough to be out on the streets.
Speaker D:So we need to figure out the, the, the judicial system and the punishments and try and get that stuff lined back up again.
Speaker C:Clint Morgan helped us out a lot with this and I'll ask all three of you, even though it's not my show, should Hunter Biden own a firearm?
Speaker D:Him?
Speaker B:If he's not in prison, yes.
Speaker D:He's not in prison.
Speaker B:He's not in prison.
Speaker A:He's not.
Speaker B:He's in.
Speaker C:You can have your opinions, but technically like he's not violent.
Speaker C:Except to maybe some of them strippers, but he's not violent.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker C:He's not violent.
Speaker C:So like what's, what's the, what's the harm?
Speaker C:He deserves every right to protect himself like the next guy.
Speaker C:I, it, it's weird to say, but no compromises.
Speaker D:No compromise.
Speaker A:Well, and that's why we were really hoping that they tried to file charges on him because we were ready to sue on his behalf.
Speaker A:It you have, you can have your opinion on Hunter Biden, but goa is no compromise and he did nothing to violate his rights.
Speaker A:And we were ready to go sue on that because it is.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's his constitutionally given rights, and we're.
Speaker A:No compromise.
Speaker A:But speaking.
Speaker A:Go ahead.
Speaker D:I was just gonna say, I think that society has a pretty.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:You see it all the time with all kinds of stuff, not just gun rights, but people think just because somebody's doing something wrong that all of this, all of these rights don't matter because they were doing something wrong.
Speaker D:And it's like.
Speaker D:Well, to.
Speaker D:To an extent.
Speaker D:But something like Hunter Biden's drug possession, like, has nothing to do with him having a firearm on his person after.
Speaker D:Well, after the.
Speaker D:Well after the fact.
Speaker C:So, yeah, like, if he, like, okay, big deal.
Speaker C:Hunter Biden likes to party cool.
Speaker C:He'd probably be a cool dude.
Speaker C:Honestly, hate to say this.
Speaker C:He'd be a cool dude to run into at a party.
Speaker C:Like, you'd be like, oh, yeah, we're about to have a blast.
Speaker C:But in reality, unless he's threatening these people or using a gun in a violent manner or in a threatening manner, like, he's not doing anything wrong.
Speaker C:I mean, if the dude threatens you, then protect yourself.
Speaker D:But, yeah, then his butt looks like.
Speaker C:He just wants to have a whole lot of fun and do dumb stuff with his friends.
Speaker C:And that's kind of like the premise I live my life by.
Speaker D:Yeah, I get it.
Speaker C:I just want to do dumb stuff with my friends and have fun.
Speaker D:Look at me sitting here right now doing dumb stuff for my friends.
Speaker A:Well, on that note, on top of that, so we've got Adam here, and Adam is a veteran.
Speaker A:Adam, we're talking about rights, and this is a great segue to put into it.
Speaker A:The va, if you go, try to get fiduciary help, tries to take away your second amendment rights.
Speaker A:I want to get your take on this, because we have yet to have a veteran take on this from somebody who this could happen to right away.
Speaker C:Give him the knife hand, Adam.
Speaker C:Give him the knife hand.
Speaker B:Not today.
Speaker B:No knife hand today.
Speaker B:But that's something I am worried about and something that I know a lot of service members, even when they want to get behavioral health, like, services, Some of these guys I know are scared because they are scared to go in there and claim that on their VA bill because they're scared that they might not be able to have firearms.
Speaker B:Now, most cases, you would still be able to get behavioral health services without that happening, but there is a chance, and that's.
Speaker B:That's terrifying.
Speaker B:Or the fact that anything that could Take your firearms away is scary.
Speaker B:So that, that is something that I can't stand personally.
Speaker B:And you know, being in the military, we have less rights, quote, unquote.
Speaker B:But there's a, and I'll even give this example.
Speaker B:I had to do a survey the other day about my command team.
Speaker B:And in the survey there was a question.
Speaker B:And the question was, do you own firearms?
Speaker B:I'm like, and then if so, do you keep them unloaded and locked, put away?
Speaker B:And politely I wrote in there that that was none of their business if I do own them or not own them.
Speaker B:And how I store my firearms is also my own business.
Speaker B:And I said, this question is completely inappropriate.
Speaker B:I went like a whole paragraph because it said, you know, it gave you a notes section that no one ever uses in questionnaires.
Speaker B:Oh, no, we wrote, we wrote an ESS in there.
Speaker B:And it was, it's such an invasion of my rights.
Speaker B:Even a service member, like, certain things that happen, I'm like, that's, it's none of your business.
Speaker B:And I think the fact that the VA is trying to do that is horrible.
Speaker B:I think the va, I'm not going to say we should get rid of the VA, but the VA needs to be 100% stripped out.
Speaker B:The problem is GS employees, any government.
Speaker B:And I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna hate on government employees right now.
Speaker B:And a lot of them are prior military.
Speaker B:Once you become a GS employee after your probation period, it's almost impossible to fire a GS employee.
Speaker B:I used to be in charge of a bunch of them, so their quality of work goes down a lot.
Speaker B:And some people are gonna get mad I'm saying this, but it's honestly got a truth.
Speaker B:And I think the VA is an example of that, where these people show up for work, they have this guaranteed paycheck, another guaranteed retirement, but they don't really care about veterans.
Speaker B:And then they hire on doctors that maybe no one else will hire on just to get the job done.
Speaker B:And I think the VA is a failure.
Speaker B:It's a failed system.
Speaker B:The VA is a complete failed system.
Speaker B:I hope that we have some new people coming in to office that will revamp the va.
Speaker B:Some people want to get rid of the va.
Speaker B:I just want the VA to be revised, vamped from the inside out.
Speaker B:Let's get rid of the people that have been running it, put someone in charge, and let's start taking care of our veterans.
Speaker C:I think I want to, I want to come in as a non veteran.
Speaker C:I, I, I really have something here and it really bothers me when it says this.
Speaker C:You as a veteran and as a military member, you are serving your country.
Speaker C:You are a civil servant.
Speaker C:If I run for Senate, if I run for Congress, if I run for governor, if I run for this district, I'm a civil servant.
Speaker C:By that logic, I should have the same health care if I'm a military member as the guy who runs District 23 in Iowa.
Speaker C:I think that veterans should, the VA should be an oversight thing, but the VA card should be accepted at the hospital down your street.
Speaker C:It should be accepted at the ER in Hawaii, it should be at the emergency care in Montgomery, Alabama.
Speaker C:Like they can go anywhere they want and get health care.
Speaker C:You should be afforded the same.
Speaker C:You shouldn't have to drive two hours to go get something.
Speaker C:You shouldn't have to be handed a sack of pills and say, hey, good luck.
Speaker C:Let me know if this works.
Speaker C:Like, that's not cool.
Speaker C:As a non veteran, that's BS in my opinion.
Speaker C:If these government officials and the four star generals are getting Blue Cross Blue Shield, for example, or whatever you want to call it, and no CO pays and blah blah, blah, why can't a guy that's serving underneath him that lost a limb or that is suffering from a mental, you know, breakdown or saw as, you know, it's, it's not fair and it's not right.
Speaker D:Agreed.
Speaker D:It should be completely deprivatized, honestly.
Speaker D:Like, I think the va, that one place in, in a lot of cities that's like, this is the one place that is what needs to get rid of VA should stand for veterans advocacy.
Speaker D:That card should veto any sort of rules anywhere that you need medical service.
Speaker D:Like, it's ridiculous.
Speaker C:It's just like your car insurance.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, they tell you, hey, here are the five preferred places we think you should go.
Speaker C:But if you're like, screw you, I'm going to the dealership, they're like, oh, dang it, man.
Speaker C:Okay, cool, whatever.
Speaker C:Like it should be the same thing for health insurance if, if Adam wants to go to the VA on base or wherever it is close to him, like, cool.
Speaker C:Do you, bro?
Speaker C:But if you want to go somewhere else, like that's, that's not, that's not, you know, you should have that right.
Speaker B:But to get back to John's question, yes, that's terrifying that the VA has the ability to take service members guns.
Speaker B:And I think it inhibits a lot of service members from getting the help they need because of the fear of losing a basic constitutional right.
Speaker B:And that's scary.
Speaker B:So yeah, I'm not for it.
Speaker B:And I'm really not a big fan of the va. Luckily, I'm still active duty.
Speaker B:I get in military, I don't have to deal with the VA yet.
Speaker B:But in another seven years, when I retire, I will have to deal with the va.
Speaker B:So I'm hoping by then it's.
Speaker B:It's better.
Speaker C:Yeah, but you'll be 60, so it's cool.
Speaker A:Well, and that goes to the same.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:Mike brought it up.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:It's Rules for Thee and not from Rules for Thee and not for Me.
Speaker A:We see this all the time with politicians.
Speaker A:You're absolutely right.
Speaker A:They should all be using the same health care that our servicemen and women have to use.
Speaker A:But it's also the same thing.
Speaker A:On the same note, they are also the same people who are protected by people with guns that we're not allowed to have.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then they bash you for wanting said guns.
Speaker A:You know, it's.
Speaker A:It's ridiculous.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Politicians are.
Speaker A:We love our politicians.
Speaker C:Oh, she got a Glock by her bedside, from what I heard.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah?
Speaker A:What do you mean?
Speaker A:I. I heard it.
Speaker A:I heard it was fired once and dropped once.
Speaker A:How's the old saying go in that order?
Speaker A:Fired, none dropped once.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:I love that.
Speaker A:What was it The.
Speaker A:The French.
Speaker A:Is that what we used to say about the French?
Speaker A:They fired once and dropped or never fired?
Speaker A:Dropped once.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's why the.
Speaker C:The French aren't over in Ukraine right now.
Speaker C:They're tanks, man.
Speaker C:They got one gear, reverse.
Speaker D:Dang.
Speaker D:It's true, though.
Speaker C:Just joking.
Speaker C:Love my French people.
Speaker C:Y' all make killer.
Speaker C:Like certain things.
Speaker D:They like to wait till the very end and then just send us a gift.
Speaker D:No Statue of Liberty.
Speaker C:We'll throw you a training party.
Speaker C:Yeah, like the Olympics.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:Don't give me.
Speaker A:That's another spicy.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's.
Speaker C:We don't have enough.
Speaker A:There's not enough time in the world for talking about the Olympics and everything.
Speaker D:Oh, no.
Speaker A:Well, that's.
Speaker A:That is from the Soapbox.
Speaker A:Is there anything other spicy topics you guys want to bring up while we're.
Speaker A:We're still on our soapbox a little bit.
Speaker B:The ATF nominations are quite interesting right now.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, man.
Speaker D:Let's go, dude.
Speaker A:We're gonna see how that goes.
Speaker A:I got a call from our Fed Affair guys the other day about it.
Speaker A:I put.
Speaker A:I put a couple names in the hat to.
Speaker A:For them.
Speaker A:One of them being one of the former CEOs of Palmer 80.
Speaker A:I want to see him in because he will just smack the daylights out of people.
Speaker C:Well, I mean, if you read the actual ATF like, stuff, I mean, it's like, it's meant to.
Speaker C:It's meant to protect people.
Speaker C:It was enacted to protect people.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker C:Like, how old is this thing?
Speaker C:And it's like, I was reading some stuff and it was like, if you sell more than 10,000 cigarettes, you got to pay a tax.
Speaker C:Like, bro, we're not bootlegging smokes anymore.
Speaker C:Like, oh, it's so, like, we don't care.
Speaker C:And then it was something about, you know, you got to pay tax on whiskey and you gotta have this, that, and the other.
Speaker C:And I'm like, bro, like, the people that are bootlegging and aren't going to tell you they're bootlegging it.
Speaker C:And like, everybody else, like Bud Lights paying their tax, man, Anheuser Busch is paying their tax.
Speaker C:Like, don't worry.
Speaker C:It's kind of a useless.
Speaker C:It's kind of a useless branch of the government.
Speaker C:But at the same time, I think we are at a lost cause abolishing the atf, unfortunately.
Speaker C:And I told Adam this offline, I think our chant needs to change from abolish to reform.
Speaker C:Because what they're going to do is they are going to say, well, yeah, we hear you about the firearms, but this includes alcohol, tobacco, and explosives.
Speaker C:Even though there's no E in it.
Speaker C:And we all have our opinions on explosives.
Speaker C:I. I think you should own them.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker C:Just, you know, just don't blow anybody up.
Speaker C:But, you know, the alcohol and tobacco, there's going to be some loophole somewhere in that part of it that is going to prevent the abolition.
Speaker C:Like, we need to reform and say, hey, let's first try to get a win and pull out suppressors.
Speaker C:Let's make it.
Speaker C:Why can't we?
Speaker C:And this is something I told.
Speaker C:All right, sorry.
Speaker C:I don't want to run long.
Speaker C:I've talked to Chris Graham at Yankee Hill.
Speaker C:I've talked to Dave Matheny at Silencer Shop.
Speaker C:We've talked to Kevin Brittingham at Q.
Speaker C:We've talked to all sorts of people.
Speaker C:And I'm actually going to talk to Sam at Thunderbeast on Sunday about this.
Speaker C:Why can.
Speaker C:Why can't the silencer industry come up with a uniform standard that is OSHA compliant?
Speaker C:Just like foam earplugs that go in your ear, like, you got a Q tip that says, hey, you can clean your ear out, but don't go too far, dummy.
Speaker C:And we also take these foam earplugs and shove them in our ears.
Speaker C:And they're like, don't go too far, dummy.
Speaker C:Like, why can't we come up with a silencer that's like, hey, we're going to rate this like, we do Peltor, like we do shooting muffs.
Speaker C:All this other stuff, hey, it drops 25 decibels, and that's the max or whatever it is.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker C:You actually have a test that's uniform across the board.
Speaker C:So we can move it from the ATF to the OSHA regulations.
Speaker C:And then at that point, if you said, hey, guys, silencer manufacturers, in five years, we're going to start following the OSHA stuff.
Speaker C:If you want to make a silencer, it has to follow these OSHA guidelines.
Speaker C:If you want to make a cool thing at the end of your barrel that's still involved in the atf, sorry.
Speaker C:Pay your tax stamp and make these things available to buy outright and take home the same day.
Speaker A:Well, osha.
Speaker A:OSHA approved suppressor use.
Speaker A:OSHA recommends suppressor use.
Speaker A:That's the funny part.
Speaker C:Yeah, but we don't have a universal test because all of.
Speaker C:And I'll put all of them on blast.
Speaker C:All of these suppressor companies are too scared to put their stuff on a standardized test that OSHA would approve.
Speaker C:And if you would do that, I don't care if shore fires at 17 decibels and silencer codes at 19.
Speaker C:Like, who cares?
Speaker C:Like, do a standardized test so everybody can see what it is that's going to cause people to buy things, but also think it's going to drive the competition up and make the suppressor game even better.
Speaker C:I mean, if you knew right now, John, that you were at Silencer Co, and let's just say that Surefire was beating you by nine decibels.
Speaker C:You can't tell me you're not going to try to, like, how do we get 10 decibels?
Speaker C:Guys, we got to beat them.
Speaker C:Oh, that's going to make the consumer market way better.
Speaker A:100%.
Speaker D:Even in the.
Speaker D:Even in the bare minimum of like, hey, meets or exceeds such and such standard.
Speaker D:Maybe they don't want to post all their stats, but meets or exceeds this set industry standard.
Speaker A:I agree.
Speaker A:I think that's where we need to be.
Speaker A:I think we, you know, what's the old saying?
Speaker A:Or what's the line from.
Speaker A:What is it?
Speaker A:What is it?
Speaker A:See, in East Tennessee, a man making moonshine liquor.
Speaker A:The government will say that's illegal, but we just called a man making a living.
Speaker C:Oh, you talking about popcorn?
Speaker C:Yeah, that's My man.
Speaker A:And that's the thing.
Speaker A:Like, there's people still listen.
Speaker A:There's people still making moonshine liquor all over the place.
Speaker A:But it's not like it used to be.
Speaker A:These guys know, oh, you know, here, here's.
Speaker A:It's not bass chub gin like it used to be.
Speaker A:It's not the bootleg stuff.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker C:And you look at.
Speaker C:And I was gonna say Adam and I were talking offline about this, like, two days ago, and we were talking about, oh, all these people in, in.
Speaker C:In different entities and groups are going to talk about how suppressors are so bad because this John Wick subway fight all over again.
Speaker C:Like, I can't hear people shooting right beside me.
Speaker C:And it's scary.
Speaker C:And it's like I challenge anybody.
Speaker C:Like, give me your camera, your phone, and let me go set it up 50 yards away or 30 yards away or 100 yards away from where I'm shooting.
Speaker C:I'll put it at the target and let me shoot.
Speaker C:Like, you're gonna hear it.
Speaker C:Yeah, you're gonna hear the noise.
Speaker C:And it's not like, oh, could that have been someone putting a lid on a trash can?
Speaker C:Like, no, everybody knows that's a gunshot.
Speaker C:Like, you know it.
Speaker C:So why not make it more hearing safe for everyone and make it to the point where, I don't know, It's.
Speaker C:It's more enjoyable.
Speaker C:It's more enjoyable all around for your soldiers, for your recreational shooters, for your competition shooters.
Speaker C:Like, it's.
Speaker C:It's just stupid to me.
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